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Post by drbeachboy (Dirk) on May 6, 2023 15:29:12 GMT -5
Robin, I trust that Brian chose the correct person to sing lead on the songs that he wrote and produced. I don't need someone using AI to screw around with those decisions. If Brian wanted himself on God Only Knows for instance, he would have done so. It's not like he had an issue singing most of the leads on Pet Sounds. As I said earlier, I'll take my Beach Boys REAL and ORIGINAL, warts and all.
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Post by bluemarble on May 6, 2023 19:03:23 GMT -5
Dae Lims is getting better and better at this.My guess is that this is SMiLE A.D. in one of his disguises. D.A. ELiMS = SMiLE A.D. His disguise is a shabby one.
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Post by jk on May 7, 2023 4:40:30 GMT -5
Dae Lims is getting better and better at this.My guess is that this is SMiLE A.D. in one of his disguises. D.A. ELiMS = SMiLE A.D. His disguise is a shabby one. Yes indeed, there are far more creative possibilities. SAD EMIL, for example.
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Post by AGD on May 7, 2023 13:06:13 GMT -5
I don't buy into this AI gimick, but, I admit here, it gives a good insight to what this could have been had Brian fully developed 'Thank Him'. Such a beautiful tune. It would fit very easily on the 'Surfer Girl' album. This is easily the least worst thus far.
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Post by jk on May 7, 2023 13:45:05 GMT -5
I don't buy into this AI gimick, but, I admit here, it gives a good insight to what this could have been had Brian fully developed 'Thank Him'. Such a beautiful tune. It would fit very easily on the 'Surfer Girl' album. This is easily the least worst thus far. Am I wrong not to want to hear this? The original is heart-wrenchingly beautiful and I see no reason at all to look any further.
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Post by lonelysummer on May 7, 2023 15:19:37 GMT -5
Rick Beato (i'm assuming everyone knows who he is) just posted a video about Al. I think he is on target with his comments. Record companies never cared about the artists, and now they won't even have to have the real thing. I don't know a thing about what sells these days, so I'm just going to throw some random names out there. if we can create a song that sounds like Drake, and his fans will accept it as being Drake, why do we need Drake? Has anyone done Al Taylor Swift? Adele? Hey, let's have Tom Petty sing some Bob Dylan or George Harrison songs. The sad part, the average consumer doesn't care about the ethics of this or anything. People in groups like ours, yeah, we care, because we live and breathe music. 99% of the audience out there doesn't, it's just background noise to them, that's part of the reason most people just stream their music now. "You mean I have to physically walk or drive to a store to get music to listen to? I'm supposed to sit down in front of my home entertainment center and do nothing but just sit there and focus on the music?" I'm glad I grew up when I did. I am not hopeful for the future of music at all.
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Post by boogieboarder on May 7, 2023 16:31:48 GMT -5
Oh, I think people care about their favorite artists. Even though we oldsters don't care about Drake, Taylor Swift, or Adele, their fans are, well, fanatical. They go to their concerts, applaud like crazy, know every song. My gut feeling is they wouldn't like the AI any more than we do. Adele has sold over 100 million records, and her fans call themselves "Daydreamers" after the name of one of her songs. Over half of adult Americans say they are Taylor Swift fans, and half of them call themselves "Swifties." Drake fans call themselves "Team Drizzy." (Beach Boys fans apparently don't even have a name. Can we think of one? Besides Beach Bums?)
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Post by Rick Bartlett on May 8, 2023 2:59:29 GMT -5
I know people care about their favorite artists, but even some grown adults love comics, cartoons and CGI movie characters too. I see this as a blending of two worlds, an artist will be a somebody someone will dream of and 'that' will be the next big thing. Meanwhile, deceased legends will live on in some form, before you know it, Elvis will be making more movies, and The Beatles will have a new album out, it's a matter of time. It saddens me. I blame the Singing Dogs, they started this whole mess.
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Post by KenWorthing on May 8, 2023 4:00:12 GMT -5
I'm in the camp of: I don't give AFF about Ai filling in the gaps of BB material, or 'what might have been'. It's not the BB's, ergo; it's fake. It'll be forever counted as fan mixes. Count me out forever.
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Post by esqeditor on May 8, 2023 5:59:54 GMT -5
The person creating the AI tracks is apparently a long-time poster at Smiley Smile, where the response to his experiments has tilted in a different direction. And that's just how it's going to be with all this, I think: we will find ourselves in vastly different camps depending on how threatening the AI phenomenon strikes us as being. There's clearly a great potential for disingenuous, cynical and fraudulent usage of such tools, and that's undeniably creepy even to those who find the possibilities fascinating. We're going to need guidelines and protections from all kinds of potential abuses that can occur with AI; but what the SS guy has done is relatively benign in the sense that there's no attempt to defraud anyone. I don't think anyone wants to replace classic tracks that shimmer with the greatness of a "Little Girl I Once Knew," but with respect to the BBs there are certainly instances where vocal work that suffers in comparison to the band's vocal prowess up to, say, the mid-70s is ripe for such experimentation. Some will embrace it, and others will recoil from it, with another group taking various "on the fence" postures. The subject obviously never came up, but I can imagine my Dad being at least interested to hear some AI applied to various tracks from the later 70s LPs that he found so frustrating. As with the often controversial remixes we've heard in recent times, AI reworkings aren't going to sever anyone's access to the original recordings. We can choose to engage or disengage as we see fit. But AI is here to stay, and somehow human beings are going to have to find a way to keep it operating within reasonable, recognizable human parameters. What's being done with these tracks is clearly just the tiniest tip of the iceberg. "The world keeps turning/And we're all learning..."--learning about just how much faster things are moving around us, all of which makes "good timing" even more elusive than how it's described in the song of the same name. I think all we can say to Andrew is: "Hold On, Dear Brother"! As a society, we don't need AI. I'm perfectly okay enjoying what already exists by the originators of any given music entity.
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Post by jk on May 8, 2023 7:27:10 GMT -5
I know people care about their favorite artists, but even some grown adults love comics, cartoons and CGI movie characters too. I see this as a blending of two worlds, an artist will be a somebody someone will dream of and 'that' will be the next big thing. Meanwhile, deceased legends will live on in some form, before you know it, Elvis will be making more movies, and The Beatles will have a new album out, it's a matter of time. It saddens me. I blame the Singing Dogs, they started this whole mess. Ah, The Singing Dogs -- I remember them well! Actually, from much earlier, 1955 or thereabouts. The rerelease in 1971 omits "Pat-A-Cake" and "Three Blind Mice" (the Brian connection). I distinctly recall hearing some doggie noises in a higher register and these can be heard in the two additional tracks: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Singing_Dogs
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Post by Awesoman on May 8, 2023 8:48:57 GMT -5
AI ultimately serves as a fascinating "what could have been" approach to popular music, but I truly hope it doesn't become the "norm" to have artificial versions of your favorite artists still making music long after they've expired. Still, AI utilized responsibly could prove useful in music production. I believe it's some form of AI that has been utilized in separating audio tracks (particularly with all the recent Beatles remasters containing stereo mixes long thought unheard of) in music where getting clean separation was not previously possible. Perhaps the next best thing to finding all the missing "Good Vibrations" tapes is utilizing this technology for a fully realized stereo mix.
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Post by jk on May 8, 2023 9:03:00 GMT -5
Thankfully, there's still this thing called freedom of choice and the ability to turn things on and off.
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Post by dauber on May 8, 2023 10:03:27 GMT -5
Murry Wilson would have used AI to produce fake Beach Boys sounding records after Brian and the boys fired him. Oh, wait, he did.
To be fair, Carl got it all set up for him.
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Post by boogieboarder on May 8, 2023 10:36:26 GMT -5
AI written Beach Boys lyrics couldn’t be any worse than Landy’s lyrics or some of Mike Love’s late period could they?
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Post by jay on May 9, 2023 15:45:45 GMT -5
The person creating the AI tracks is apparently a long-time poster at Smiley Smile, where the response to his experiments has tilted in a different direction. And that's just how it's going to be with all this, I think: we will find ourselves in vastly different camps depending on how threatening the AI phenomenon strikes us as being. There's clearly a great potential for disingenuous, cynical and fraudulent usage of such tools, and that's undeniably creepy even to those who find the possibilities fascinating. We're going to need guidelines and protections from all kinds of potential abuses that can occur with AI; but what the SS guy has done is relatively benign in the sense that there's no attempt to defraud anyone. I don't think anyone wants to replace classic tracks that shimmer with the greatness of a "Little Girl I Once Knew," but with respect to the BBs there are certainly instances where vocal work that suffers in comparison to the band's vocal prowess up to, say, the mid-70s is ripe for such experimentation. Some will embrace it, and others will recoil from it, with another group taking various "on the fence" postures. The subject obviously never came up, but I can imagine my Dad being at least interested to hear some AI applied to various tracks from the later 70s LPs that he found so frustrating. As with the often controversial remixes we've heard in recent times, AI reworkings aren't going to sever anyone's access to the original recordings. We can choose to engage or disengage as we see fit. But AI is here to stay, and somehow human beings are going to have to find a way to keep it operating within reasonable, recognizable human parameters. What's being done with these tracks is clearly just the tiniest tip of the iceberg. "The world keeps turning/And we're all learning..."--learning about just how much faster things are moving around us, all of which makes "good timing" even more elusive than how it's described in the song of the same name. I think all we can say to Andrew is: "Hold On, Dear Brother"! As a society, we don't need AI. I'm perfectly okay enjoying what already exists by the originators of any given music entity. I think in the future it can be very useful in regard to de-mixing and helping to isolate certain voices and instruments of old recordings, like what was done on the Revolver box set. Hopefully in the years to come the technology will become better and better, and more useful for that purpose. I also think(or at least hope) that in the future it will be of use in audio restoration of poor quality recordings.
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Post by KenWorthing on May 10, 2023 4:20:30 GMT -5
I think that application of the technology (as per the Beatles recent usage) is its only saving grace.
When it's basically deep-faked to make any vocal (other than the originator) sound like the original .. or add when there were no vocals .. well .. big nope from me.
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Post by filledeplage on May 10, 2023 4:49:58 GMT -5
Get a Dennis Wilson on SOS.
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Post by esqeditor on May 10, 2023 5:34:55 GMT -5
AI written Beach Boys lyrics couldn’t be any worse than Landy’s lyrics or some of Mike Love’s late period could they? There is zero comparison between Landy and Love as lyricists. As far as I'm concerned, Mike has earned my respect as an accomplished songwriter. Sure, some of his more recent outings aren't all that interesting or groundbreaking, but Landy — even on his best day — wasn't even in the same conversation as Mike on his worst day.
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Post by Rick Bartlett on May 10, 2023 9:08:48 GMT -5
Ha.... some/all? of those AI videos have been taken down...
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Post by John Manning on May 10, 2023 9:19:47 GMT -5
Ha.... some/all? of those AI videos have been taken down... Probably a copyright claim by UMe, who’re planning to include them all on a 4th disc for next year’s Sounds of Summer re-re-rerelease.
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Post by Rick Bartlett on May 10, 2023 9:29:03 GMT -5
Ha.... some/all? of those AI videos have been taken down... Probably a copyright claim by UMe, who’re planning to include them all on a 4th disc for next year’s Sounds of Summer re-re-rerelease. Ahahaha! As if! Oh wait......this is The Beach Boys....
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Post by Sam_BFC on May 10, 2023 10:13:58 GMT -5
Strange thing is I am pretty sure I saw the official Brian Wilson Twitter account share that "Beatles" rendition of God Only Knows.
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Post by John Manning on May 10, 2023 12:47:30 GMT -5
Strange thing is I am pretty sure I saw the official Brian Wilson Twitter account share that "Beatles" rendition of God Only Knows. Likewise, I think David shared it on the ESQ feed too.
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Post by boogieboarder on May 10, 2023 17:57:01 GMT -5
AI written Beach Boys lyrics couldn’t be any worse than Landy’s lyrics or some of Mike Love’s late period could they? There is zero comparison between Landy and Love as lyricists. As far as I'm concerned, Mike has earned my respect as an accomplished songwriter. Sure, some of his more recent outings aren't all that interesting or groundbreaking, but Landy — even on his best day — wasn't even in the same conversation as Mike on his worst day. Well, I'll agree with that.
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