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Post by positivemusic on Apr 7, 2023 15:12:22 GMT -5
Agreed! I would never want "original" AI Beach Boys' material, but with as close as this is to Brian's voice, I'd love to hear a rendition of "I Just Wasn't Made For These Times" with a Dennis style vocal.
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Post by #JusticeForDonGoldberg on Apr 7, 2023 15:30:23 GMT -5
Has no one done “I’ e Got A Friend” yet?
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Post by #JusticeForDonGoldberg on Apr 7, 2023 16:19:20 GMT -5
I guess I just find it disheartening to think of the many abuses of this stuff. Personally, I think something as basic as the human voice shouldn't really be faked with a machine. But that's just me. have to disagree, as someone whose days for the most part live and die by text to speech software, the improvements (thanks to AI) have been especially helpful. Going from this: To something more like this: Has been a massive improvement. There are actual reasons to use AI to emulate the human voice. Beach Boys music is *not* a good use of voice replicating AI though, I do agree there. |
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Post by eraserheadbaby on Apr 7, 2023 19:17:36 GMT -5
AGD not getting upset at stuff challenge.
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Post by jay on Apr 11, 2023 21:54:45 GMT -5
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Post by dauber on Apr 18, 2023 21:15:01 GMT -5
"All I Want to Do," "Guess I'm Dumb," "Matchpoint of Our Love," and "My Diane" just disappeared. All that's left are "Be My Baby," "More Today Than Yesterday," and "God Only Knows." Grab 'em while you can.
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Post by #JusticeForDonGoldberg on Apr 19, 2023 8:25:47 GMT -5
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Post by filledeplage on Apr 19, 2023 9:34:47 GMT -5
The whole concept is an absurdity. The BBs have survived incredible industry blackballing (and resulting touring on a merry-go-round) exactly because of the organic vocals. The notion of replication by AI will not fly for those who are looking for authenticity. People often talk about Carl, terminally ill, singing from-his-toes at the end of his life. The reason that civilization exists is that there is appreciation of the human soul from which art and music originate alongside native creativity. Humans have a spirit and a soul.
If anyone thinks that AI is going to enhance a creative or listening experience, plugging in to a robot, I got a bridge to sell...
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Post by John Manning on Apr 19, 2023 10:57:48 GMT -5
I’m instinctively against AI, but part of me wonders what a 24-year-old Brian would have made of it back in the early/mid-‘60s if had been available? After all, he was a pioneer in utilising some of the latest recording technology to get the best results on his records, from double tracking, splicing and “surging” to sped-up vocals, and using each specific studio for its own unique qualities of echo/resonance/whatever. Would he have disowned it? I hesitate to speculate either way.
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Post by filledeplage on Apr 19, 2023 11:53:35 GMT -5
I’m instinctively against AI, but part of me wonders what a 24-year-old Brian would have made of it back in the early/mid-‘60s if had been available? After all, he was a pioneer in utilising some of the latest recording technology to get the best results on his records, from double tracking, splicing and “surging” to sped-up vocals, and using each specific studio for its own unique qualities of echo/resonance/whatever. Would he have disowned it? I hesitate to speculate either way. It may have hindered his creativity. But, the only thing (today) I wonder about is Dennis' lead on Sail on Sailor. That would have been massive - and maybe St. Anthony (patron saint of lost things) will find a track with his lead on it. I don't crave an AI version. And it is a slippery slope which could become so fake, that it stunts the work ethic of our most talented artists. The trial and error efforts our artists make all the time. I think it could have use, for coming up with formulations to cure disease, and help the quality-of-life of humans, but that is at the direction of a human and not being the subject (in the slavery context) of the robot. There have been a couple of interviews with Elon Musk who believes there should be a halt to it because of the risk to mankind. In other words they have created a veritable monster. They have already created AI police dogs. One can only fear their potential. If Elon is correct, it is not good. And my take is that the arts and medicine could be the Trojan horses to overtake humanity. JMHO - I feel like a dummy in this area in the same way I ran from computers years back. My own approach is to proceed with extreme caution. |
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Post by Stephen W. Desper on Apr 22, 2023 15:41:36 GMT -5
I don't see why anyone would want erstaz Beach Boys when you can have the magnificent originals, like this utterly wonderful thing of pure joy and beauty: ~swd |
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Post by filledeplage on Apr 22, 2023 17:56:51 GMT -5
I don't see why anyone would want erstaz Beach Boys when you can have the magnificent originals, like this utterly wonderful thing of pure joy and beauty: ~swd Thanks - I just played it through twice. And the slide show is pretty cute. |
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Post by boogieboarder on Apr 22, 2023 19:00:03 GMT -5
I’m instinctively against AI, but part of me wonders what a 24-year-old Brian would have made of it back in the early/mid-‘60s if had been available? After all, he was a pioneer in utilising some of the latest recording technology to get the best results on his records, from double tracking, splicing and “surging” to sped-up vocals, and using each specific studio for its own unique qualities of echo/resonance/whatever. Would he have disowned it? I hesitate to speculate either way. Murry Wilson would have used AI to produce fake Beach Boys sounding records after Brian and the boys fired him. Oh, wait, he did. |
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Post by boogieboarder on Apr 23, 2023 10:34:14 GMT -5
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Post by Mopp on Apr 23, 2023 10:43:20 GMT -5
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Post by John Manning on Apr 23, 2023 11:06:15 GMT -5
Listened through this earlier today and was surprised by how much I enjoyed it. I’ve had serious misgivings about AI and this hasn’t allayed them but – as long as it’s listened to in the spirit in which it is intended – it holds its own. There’s no attempt to deceive and the results are very good indeed.
Okay, we’re all gonna argue about the transitions, the playing order, the inclusions and exclusions, because we’ve all got our ideas about Smile and we’re all right about our own mixes, but this is very good, and the AI component enjoyable in its own right.
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Post by Micha on Apr 26, 2023 14:41:47 GMT -5
Still not close enough to the originals for my taste, but this is exactly what I would do with this tool. Finish the holes in SMiLE.
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Post by dauber on Apr 28, 2023 7:02:38 GMT -5
Well, now this person -- whom I'm assuming is the same guy -- did some more AI stuff, including an AI Paul McCartney singing "Caroline, No" that sounds NOTHING like Macca but closer to a Beatles tribute band's Paul impersonator:
And faux Brian singing "Our Sweet Love" (which I still maintain does sound like a 1969 Brian):
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Post by Awesoman on May 2, 2023 6:10:57 GMT -5
Well, now this person -- whom I'm assuming is the same guy -- did some more AI stuff, including an AI Paul McCartney singing "Caroline, No" that sounds NOTHING like Macca but closer to a Beatles tribute band's Paul impersonator:
And faux Brian singing "Our Sweet Love" (which I still maintain does sound like a 1969 Brian):
His AI readings of Paul's songs "New" and "I Don't Know" using "young Paul's" voice actually sound a lot like Paul from about forty years ago. Hell, they even got "John Lennon" singing the bridge on "New". The phrasing is different from the original studio recording which makes me wonder how they go about the process. Still not sure I like AI as it's not real but perhaps in some aspects it could be a useful application. |
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Post by filledeplage on May 2, 2023 7:31:12 GMT -5
Our Sweet Love sounds fake; Brian's voice is more complicated, more erratic. Maybe less able to generate in a computer program. That is a very good thing in my book. Like great homemade wine or a bread recipe that no one can copy, that takes the artfulness of not measuring anything but it comes out great anyway. But, I'd like to hear Sail On Sailor with Dennis. Just for curiosity's sake.  |
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Post by Awesoman on May 2, 2023 8:04:06 GMT -5
Awful. You can hear it "trying" to imitate his articulation on "do." Utterly unfeeling fake performance despite being based on Mike's good lead. I don't think he based it on Mike's lead. The enunciation and inflections bear all the hallmarks of a Youtube cover. The AI needs a clean source for the melody, and it's impossible to cleanly isolate Mike's lead on that unless your name begins with "Mark" and ends in "Linett". I think he recorded himself singing the lead vocal as a guide for the program. The only upload I can be sure is based on Beach Boy vocals is the Til I Die demo. That clearly uses the bootlegged acapella snippets with Carl singing isolated. There are actually a few online applications that can do a "good enough" job isolating vocals (and other tracks such as bass and drums) for just about any song you feed it. mvsep.com/This is a good free one although it can be slow to process and the website crashes a lot. But it works. There's also LALAL.AI which I haven't tried which supposedly works even better although I think you have to pay for it. But long story short there are methods to isolate vocals from a recording and convert them with AI at our fingertips if necessary. |
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Post by AGD on May 5, 2023 15:22:29 GMT -5
This is so pathetically bad, it's hilarious. Doesn't sound anything like Macca. Utter crap.
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Post by Rick Bartlett on May 6, 2023 4:44:36 GMT -5
I don't buy into this AI gimick, but, I admit here, it gives a good insight to what this could have been had
Brian fully developed 'Thank Him'.
Such a beautiful tune.
It would fit very easily on the 'Surfer Girl' album.
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Post by Will/P.P. on May 6, 2023 14:43:46 GMT -5
"Thank Him" is about the best one I've heard so far. Dae Lims is getting better and better at this.
Produced in the last 24 hours. I don't believe this is Mike LeRoy. Mike LeRoy is Mike LeRoy. He
has a BandCamp, putting out records since he was a teenager. Haven't listened to his BOOKOFF
SMiLE yet, but I will soon. One of my favorites by him is "Half Asleep". Not on his YouTube
channel, and I don't have the code handy. Look for it on his BandCamp.
Let's see, a Beach Boys fan who also loves The Beatles... My guess is that this is SMiLE A.D. in
one of his disguises. You might remember him from your SmileyDaze years. He did the "Little
Red Book" (with Wild Honey era drums). A candidate to move on to this new development in
sound.
I'm not tech-savvy enough to understand exactly how this is done. Is there a voice component
that can be added to the mix? Like Zach Wolfe, SMiLE A.D. is a professional-grade singer. He
did an excellent cover of "Whatever Happened" years ago that was tops.
I look forward to hearing more of this if it can be done as well as Dae Lims is tossing out.
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Post by Will/P.P. on May 6, 2023 15:02:52 GMT -5
The person creating the AI tracks is apparently a long-time poster at Smiley Smile, where the response to his experiments has tilted in a different direction. And that's just how it's going to be with all this, I think: we will find ourselves in vastly different camps depending on how threatening the AI phenomenon strikes us as being. There's clearly a great potential for disingenuous, cynical and fraudulent usage of such tools, and that's undeniably creepy even to those who find the possibilities fascinating. We're going to need guidelines and protections from all kinds of potential abuses that can occur with AI; but what the SS guy has done is relatively benign in the sense that there's no attempt to defraud anyone. I don't think anyone wants to replace classic tracks that shimmer with the greatness of a "Little Girl I Once Knew," but with respect to the BBs there are certainly instances where vocal work that suffers in comparison to the band's vocal prowess up to, say, the mid-70s is ripe for such experimentation. Some will embrace it, and others will recoil from it, with another group taking various "on the fence" postures. The subject obviously never came up, but I can imagine my Dad being at least interested to hear some AI applied to various tracks from the later 70s LPs that he found so frustrating. As with the often controversial remixes we've heard in recent times, AI reworkings aren't going to sever anyone's access to the original recordings. We can choose to engage or disengage as we see fit. But AI is here to stay, and somehow human beings are going to have to find a way to keep it operating within reasonable, recognizable human parameters. What's being done with these tracks is clearly just the tiniest tip of the iceberg. "The world keeps turning/And we're all learning..."--learning about just how much faster things are moving around us, all of which makes "good timing" even more elusive than how it's described in the song of the same name. I think all we can say to Andrew is: "Hold On, Dear Brother"!  Hey, robin. Didn't see this before making my last post. I rarely darken the door at Smiley, 'cause it is not a welcome forum for everyone. That is why I am here. We put up with Andrew because everybody has the right to their opinion. It's just another opinion among many. So, it has been figured out over there? Is he openly talking about it? Maybe I'll go have a look. |
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