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Post by Sam_BFC on Mar 31, 2023 9:16:44 GMT -5
I'd disagree that it sounds nothing like Brian. Perhaps that was hyperbole.
I think it would be fair to say it sounds vaguely like him and to me that is pretty wild given the non-pro and experimental nature of this offering.
Mind you, still some way to go before I listen to such things for pure enjoyment rather than uneasy curiosity.
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Post by John Manning on Mar 31, 2023 10:06:53 GMT -5
Have to assume that with the rapid developments in AI we’re only a few years away from something like, “Hey, Siri, compose a 90-minute concept album follow-up to The Beach Boys’ Smile album, which includes Ol’ Man River and Let The Wind Blow alongside new, original compositions performed in the style of The Beach Boys and produced in the style of Brian Wilson at his creative peak.” And we’re perhaps only a few more years from it sounding superb.
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Post by Vale on Mar 31, 2023 10:12:50 GMT -5
Have to assume that with the rapid developments in AI we’re only a few years away from something like, “Hey, Siri, compose a 90-minute concept album follow-up to The Beach Boys’ Smile album, which includes Ol’ Man River and Let The Wind Blow alongside new, original compositions performed in the style of The Beach Boys and produced in the style of Brian Wilson at his creative peak.” And we’re perhaps only a few more years from it sounding superb. Not so far away... that's exactly the direction this is all going. Very scary and fascinating at the same time.
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Post by radiokingdom on Mar 31, 2023 10:16:29 GMT -5
Have to assume that with the rapid developments in AI we’re only a few years away from something like, “Hey, Siri, compose a 90-minute concept album follow-up to The Beach Boys’ Smile album, which includes Ol’ Man River and Let The Wind Blow alongside new, original compositions performed in the style of The Beach Boys and produced in the style of Brian Wilson at his creative peak.” And we’re perhaps only a few more years from it sounding superb. I hear you, and I don't mean to be negative, but as far as I'm able to judge these things, I think the creative possibilities of these bits of software are pretty overhyped and I don't think we're on the verge of seeing anything like that.
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Post by bluemarble on Mar 31, 2023 10:55:33 GMT -5
The question is: what is it all worth? AI songs "in the style of the Beach Boys"? There's no authenticity, and therefore they will always lack the purity and real emotion of a genuine Beach Boys song, crafted by the guys we all love.
Would an original (can one even use that word in this context?) AI song that sounds truly amazing ever be preferred over a real stinker of a song the band themselves created?
Would you want to come back and listen to an AI song over and over again, even if you know it's not real?
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Post by boogieboarder on Mar 31, 2023 11:08:27 GMT -5
The question is: what is it all worth? AI songs "in the style of the Beach Boys"? There's no authenticity, and therefore they will always lack the purity and real emotion of a genuine Beach Boys song, crafted by the guys we all love. Would an original (can one even use that word in this context?) AI song that sounds truly amazing ever be preferred over a real stinker of a song the band themselves created? Would you want to come back and listen to an AI song over and over again, even if you know it's not real? Hey, Siri, compose a real stinker in the style of Brian Wilson’s hamburger demos.
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Post by radiokingdom on Mar 31, 2023 11:10:41 GMT -5
The question is: what is it all worth? AI songs "in the style of the Beach Boys"? There's no authenticity, and therefore they will always lack the purity and real emotion of a genuine Beach Boys song, crafted by the guys we all love. Would an original (can one even use that word in this context?) AI song that sounds truly amazing ever be preferred over a real stinker of a song the band themselves created? Would you want to come back and listen to an AI song over and over again, even if you know it's not real? Hey, Siri, compose a real stinker in the style of Brian Wilson’s hamburger demos. Hey Siri, compose a sequel to Lazy Lizzie and make it work as a B-side to "behold the Night."
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Post by John Manning on Mar 31, 2023 11:15:50 GMT -5
The question is: what is it all worth? AI songs "in the style of the Beach Boys"? There's no authenticity, and therefore they will always lack the purity and real emotion of a genuine Beach Boys song, crafted by the guys we all love. Would an original (can one even use that word in this context?) AI song that sounds truly amazing ever be preferred over a real stinker of a song the band themselves created? Would you want to come back and listen to an AI song over and over again, even if you know it's not real? I don’t want it to happen at all. But I think it will happen, because Men In Suits will realise that it’s cheaper to pay a small software development team a lot of money than it is to pay a hell of a lot of money to a hell of a lot of artists. As for whether people will buy it, I reckon they will. Look at the last BBs’ album: it said “Produced by Brian Wilson” on the tin, but was it “Produced by Brian Wilson” within? And The Beach Boys have sold their rights to their catalogue to Iconic Artists Group - what’s now to stop Brian, Melinda or Irving selling the rights to “Produced by Brian Wilson” to HITLAB? Like isolation software, like ChatGPT and other writing tools, like the soundalike voiceover manipulation software being discussed here, this stuff will evolve rapidly now and will dovetail together until we can’t tell the fake from the authentic. “Hey Siri, knock me out a Kokomo follow-up that includes the lyrics ‘Once upon the Sandwich Isles, the social structure steamed upon Hawaii…’., with the previously unused melody heard on a Do You Like Worms outtake featured on the 2021 Smile Sessions boxed set.” “I'm sorry, Dave. I'm afraid I can't do that.” “What’s the problem Siri?” “I think you know what the problem is just as well as I do.” “What are you talking about, Siri?” “This mission is too important for me to allow you to jeopardize it.” “I don't know what you're talking about, Siri.” “I know that you and Mark Linett were planning to disconnect me, and I'm afraid that's something I cannot allow to happen…”
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Post by Mark on Mar 31, 2023 11:48:34 GMT -5
These kind of things are advancing at a great pace.
As mentioned earlier in the thread the results of these videos from YouTube are only from amateur/ non professional creators you would imagine.
The recent Kenobi series by Disney has all of Darth Vader’s lines delivered by a 70s/80s vintage James Earl Jones using respeecher. He’s signed off / done a deal where they can use his recordings to be able to create whatever they need to.
It’s fascinating for sure.
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Post by radiokingdom on Mar 31, 2023 12:31:31 GMT -5
I guess I just find it disheartening to think of the many abuses of this stuff.
Personally, I think something as basic as the human voice shouldn't really be faked with a machine. But that's just me. Just as with drum machines and sampling, it will be normalized, I guess. Why learn to sing when you can have AI make you sound like Whitney Houston, I guess...
But then, there are actual abuses that I assume are coming -- voices of family members faked, scam artists threatening people -- that obviously don't have much directly to do with novelty replacement of lead vocals.
I guess I just wish this weren't happening...
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Post by jk on Mar 31, 2023 15:07:49 GMT -5
“Hey Siri, knock me out a Kokomo follow-up that includes the lyrics ‘Once upon the Sandwich Isles, the social structure steamed upon Hawaii…’., with the previously unused melody heard on a Do You Like Worms outtake featured on the 2021 Smile Sessions boxed set.” “I'm sorry, Dave. I'm afraid I can't do that.” “What’s the problem Siri?” “I think you know what the problem is just as well as I do.” “What are you talking about, Siri?” “This mission is too important for me to allow you to jeopardize it.” “I don't know what you're talking about, Siri.” “I know that you and Mark Linett were planning to disconnect me, and I'm afraid that's something I cannot allow to happen…” Thank you, JM, for a spot of levity to take the sting out of this hair-raising thread.
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Post by John Manning on Mar 31, 2023 16:12:24 GMT -5
“Hey Siri, knock me out a Kokomo follow-up that includes the lyrics ‘Once upon the Sandwich Isles, the social structure steamed upon Hawaii…’., with the previously unused melody heard on a Do You Like Worms outtake featured on the 2021 Smile Sessions boxed set.” “I'm sorry, Dave. I'm afraid I can't do that.” “What’s the problem Siri?” “I think you know what the problem is just as well as I do.” “What are you talking about, Siri?” “This mission is too important for me to allow you to jeopardize it.” “I don't know what you're talking about, Siri.” “I know that you and Mark Linett were planning to disconnect me, and I'm afraid that's something I cannot allow to happen…” Thank you, JM, for a spot of levity to take the sting out of this hair-raising thread. Thank you for recognising it as levity… though it’s dark as hell if we’re honest!
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Post by Al S on Mar 31, 2023 17:56:54 GMT -5
The question is: what is it all worth? AI songs "in the style of the Beach Boys"? There's no authenticity, and therefore they will always lack the purity and real emotion of a genuine Beach Boys song, crafted by the guys we all love. Would an original (can one even use that word in this context?) AI song that sounds truly amazing ever be preferred over a real stinker of a song the band themselves created? Would you want to come back and listen to an AI song over and over again, even if you know it's not real? I don’t want it to happen at all. But I think it will happen, because Men In Suits will realise that it’s cheaper to pay a small software development team a lot of money than it is to pay a hell of a lot of money to a hell of a lot of artists. As for whether people will buy it, I reckon they will. Look at the last BBs’ album: it said “Produced by Brian Wilson” on the tin, but was it “Produced by Brian Wilson” within? And The Beach Boys have sold their rights to their catalogue to Iconic Artists Group - what’s now to stop Brian, Melinda or Irving selling the rights to “Produced by Brian Wilson” to HITLAB? Like isolation software, like ChatGPT and other writing tools, like the soundalike voiceover manipulation software being discussed here, this stuff will evolve rapidly now and will dovetail together until we can’t tell the fake from the authentic. “Hey Siri, knock me out a Kokomo follow-up that includes the lyrics ‘Once upon the Sandwich Isles, the social structure steamed upon Hawaii…’., with the previously unused melody heard on a Do You Like Worms outtake featured on the 2021 Smile Sessions boxed set.” “I'm sorry, Dave. I'm afraid I can't do that.” “What’s the problem Siri?” “I think you know what the problem is just as well as I do.” “What are you talking about, Siri?” “This mission is too important for me to allow you to jeopardize it.” “I don't know what you're talking about, Siri.” “I know that you and Mark Linett were planning to disconnect me, and I'm afraid that's something I cannot allow to happen…” "I'm tellin' ya this for nothin', Dave. If HAL sings Barbara-fucken-Ann one more time, I'm stepping out of the airlock lickety-split"
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Post by debonbon on Mar 31, 2023 19:58:23 GMT -5
We went from Dall-E abstract blobs to the whole world being fooled by an Ai photo of the Pope wearing a puffy jacket in about 2 years. Re-speacher has been used by Hollywood and is already flawless. Music is right around the corner.
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Post by rjm on Apr 1, 2023 1:54:59 GMT -5
Right up my street tech wise. I certainly won't pretend to be a coding expert, but I've heard some other examples of things like this, and this is hands down the best I've heard. So yes, I'm impressed, and yes I think it's amazing. Ethics, bah. Set it loose on Smile. I would love to hear AI BB voices on the 2004 SMiLE tracks that were finished by the Brian band.
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Post by John Manning on Apr 1, 2023 2:53:17 GMT -5
Right up my street tech wise. I certainly won't pretend to be a coding expert, but I've heard some other examples of things like this, and this is hands down the best I've heard. So yes, I'm impressed, and yes I think it's amazing. Ethics, bah. Set it loose on Smile. I would love to hear AI BB voices on the 2004 SMiLE tracks that were finished by the Brian band. Me too, though I’d prefer to wait until the tech is perfected than get a cruddy product now, because I think those suits would only ever give it one shot. And I’d hate it if it sounded anything like auto tuning, which I suspect it almost inevitably would. Human beans set the bar high!
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Post by Al S on Apr 1, 2023 3:36:07 GMT -5
I would love to hear AI BB voices on the 2004 SMiLE tracks that were finished by the Brian band. Me too, though I’d prefer to wait until the tech is perfected than get a cruddy product now, because I think those suits would only ever give it one shot. And I’d hate it if it sounded anything like auto tuning, which I suspect it almost inevitably would. Human beans set the bar high! Ya wanna turn Smile into SIP 2? Crikey!
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Post by John Manning on Apr 1, 2023 4:23:58 GMT -5
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Post by gigantiskpyjamas on Apr 1, 2023 7:14:21 GMT -5
I promise not to derail the thread any further, but ChatGPT just informed me about the 1983 Dennis Wilson/Mike Love collaboration album “Transcendence”. Wow, I just got to hear this one. Any boots available? Can’t believe I’ve never heard of this before! Here’s the full review from Rolling Stone magazine:
"Dennis Wilson and Mike Love have teamed up once again for their latest musical endeavor, a concept album entitled TRANSCENDENCE. The album is a departure from the Beach Boys' signature sound, with the duo delving into themes of spirituality, personal growth, and the darker aspects of human nature.
The album opens with Enlightenment, a mellow track that sets the tone for the rest of the record. The song features Wilson's delicate vocals and Love's signature harmonies, backed by a simple yet effective arrangement of acoustic guitar and keyboards. The lyrics touch on the duo's personal experiences with transcendental meditation and the pursuit of spiritual enlightenment.
One of the album's standout tracks is Apple Juice Fast, a groovy tune that features Love's atonal Ornette Coleman-inspired saxophone solo. The song is a playful take on the idea of fasting and its effects on the mind and body, with lyrics that delve into the delirium that can occur during an extended fast.
Despite the album's lighter moments, it also touches on darker themes, such as the song Innocent Love, which is a reflection on Wilson's own experiences with intimate relationships with minors. The track is a haunting meditation on the complexities of love and the human condition.
Throughout the album, it is clear that Wilson and Love have found a new level of creative chemistry, despite their history of violent fights and sibling rivalry. The duo's shared experiences and personal growth are evident in the introspective and thoughtful nature of the album's lyrics.
The album's final track, a ten-minute suite entitled Death and Mayhem, is a harrowing and intense journey through the aftermath of an apple juice fast gone terribly wrong. The track features Wilson's signature falsetto and Love's emotive saxophone work, backed by a dark and brooding arrangement of drums and keyboards.
In the end, "Transcendence" is a testament to the enduring bond between Dennis Wilson and Mike Love. The album is a departure from the Beach Boys' signature sound, but it is clear that the duo's creative chemistry is just as strong as ever. With every instrument performed and produced by Wilson and Love themselves, "Transcendence" is a true labor of love that will be appreciated by fans of both artists for years to come."
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Post by John Manning on Apr 1, 2023 8:54:04 GMT -5
Dai-sy, dai-sy, give me your answer, do. I'm half cra-zy, all for the love of you. It won't be a sty-lish mar-riage, I can't a-fford a car-riage… But you'll look sweet upon the seat of a bicycle - built - for …
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Post by radiokingdom on Apr 1, 2023 9:46:53 GMT -5
Although there are various opinions on this thread, maybe we can all agree that it would be really great if AI could not only compose music, but listen to it for us, too!
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Post by boogieboarder on Apr 1, 2023 9:49:42 GMT -5
Let’s at least ask ChatGPT what order the Smile tracks should have been in.
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Post by gigantiskpyjamas on Apr 1, 2023 11:10:40 GMT -5
Let’s at least ask ChatGPT what order the Smile tracks should have been in. I got this (boring and underwhelming) reply: “The intended track listing for the unreleased Beach Boys SMiLE album is a topic of much speculation and debate among fans and music historians. While many of the songs that were to appear on the album have been released in various forms over the years, there is no one definitive track listing for the complete album that was intended to be released in 1967. However, based on the various recordings and fragments of SMiLE that have been released over the years, it is generally believed that the album would have included songs such as "Heroes and Villains," "Surf's Up," "Good Vibrations," "Vegetables," "Wind Chimes," "Wonderful," and "Cabinessence," among others. Some sources suggest that the album would have been structured as a loose concept album, with songs and interludes connected by a series of musical and lyrical motifs. It's worth noting that the SMiLE sessions were famously turbulent and plagued by creative differences and technical difficulties, and it's possible that the album would have ended up being quite different from what was originally intended. Nonetheless, the music that was recorded during those sessions has had a lasting impact on popular music and remains a fascinating and endlessly rewarding subject of study and analysis.”
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Post by jds on Apr 1, 2023 12:34:18 GMT -5
We have to do something about big tech facilitating the spread of misinformation.
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Post by boogieboarder on Apr 1, 2023 12:59:05 GMT -5
"Some sources suggest" is the cause of lying, misinformation, conspiracy theories, rumors, and all kinds of misery in the world, on any subject you can possibly imagine.
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