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Post by filledeplage on Jun 24, 2022 15:04:20 GMT -5
Just read that Sony has its own surround sound platform. There is a lot to learn here. About the platform, the equipment needed, and the studio work required to provide both stereo and Atmos. It isn’t just a mark on the side of equipment or media. Some theater set-ups require 64 speakers to achieve the results they are looking for. I saw some neckwear speakers made by Sony (pretty pricey) for Dolby Atmos.
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Post by #JusticeForDonGoldberg on Jun 24, 2022 15:06:22 GMT -5
no! They *are* two discreet mixes. Mark Linett or whoever did the mixes made two completely separate mixes, a stereo mix and an atmos mix. They’re not the same, one has nothing to do with the other. Is this information about Mark mixing for Dolby Atmos available online? I’m interested in reading and learning more! I was under the impression that the end-product is one Dolby Atmos master file which is then used for encoding for final distribution to streaming services or Blu-ray. That master file contains all of the audio, plus a lot of metadata, which can then be output as 7.1, 5.1, 4.0, stereo or whatever, depending on the kind of set-up the listener has. So you’re saying Mark Linett actually made one Dolby Atmos master file containing a surround version of the album. He then reset everything and made a separate stereo mix from scratch, resulting in two different master files? These two separate master files were then sent to streaming services? Just want to make sure I understand you (and we understand each other)! 🙂 right. Linett made an Atmos mix, in addition to a stereo mix. Just like how Giles made both stereo and Atmos versions of Abbey Road for that anniversary collection. Stereo isn’t Atmos, but Atmos *can* technically play on a stereo system. But the two files would be different. If you have atmos enabled you’ll hear a completely different mix then if you turn it off.
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Post by filledeplage on Jun 24, 2022 15:24:26 GMT -5
Is this information about Mark mixing for Dolby Atmos available online? I’m interested in reading and learning more! I was under the impression that the end-product is one Dolby Atmos master file which is then used for encoding for final distribution to streaming services or Blu-ray. That master file contains all of the audio, plus a lot of metadata, which can then be output as 7.1, 5.1, 4.0, stereo or whatever, depending on the kind of set-up the listener has. So you’re saying Mark Linett actually made one Dolby Atmos master file containing a surround version of the album. He then reset everything and made a separate stereo mix from scratch, resulting in two different master files? These two separate master files were then sent to streaming services? Just want to make sure I understand you (and we understand each other)! 🙂 right. Linett made an Atmos mix, in addition to a stereo mix. Just like how Giles made both stereo and Atmos versions of Abbey Road for that anniversary collection. Stereo isn’t Atmos, but Atmos *can* technically play on a stereo system. But the two files would be different. If you have atmos enabled you’ll hear a completely different mix then if you turn it off. So, can we interpret Atmos as having a type of backwards compatibility?
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Post by Bruce’s Shorts on Jun 24, 2022 15:39:05 GMT -5
Is this information about Mark mixing for Dolby Atmos available online? I’m interested in reading and learning more! I was under the impression that the end-product is one Dolby Atmos master file which is then used for encoding for final distribution to streaming services or Blu-ray. That master file contains all of the audio, plus a lot of metadata, which can then be output as 7.1, 5.1, 4.0, stereo or whatever, depending on the kind of set-up the listener has. So you’re saying Mark Linett actually made one Dolby Atmos master file containing a surround version of the album. He then reset everything and made a separate stereo mix from scratch, resulting in two different master files? These two separate master files were then sent to streaming services? Just want to make sure I understand you (and we understand each other)! 🙂 right. Linett made an Atmos mix, in addition to a stereo mix. Just like how Giles made both stereo and Atmos versions of Abbey Road for that anniversary collection. Stereo isn’t Atmos, but Atmos *can* technically play on a stereo system. But the two files would be different. If you have atmos enabled you’ll hear a completely different mix then if you turn it off. Yeah, this is gonna really pull in the 23 year old hipsters! ;p
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Post by Bruce’s Shorts on Jun 24, 2022 15:40:39 GMT -5
You Need A Mess Of Help To Atmos Alone
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Post by filledeplage on Jun 24, 2022 16:14:13 GMT -5
You Need A Mess Of Help To Atmos Alone Gotta tell you - I downloaded from apple iTunes or whatever they call themselves and you can only get Atmos if you stream on apple (excluding other platforms) - not a way to keep in that brand if you don’t get that benefit. It is double-dipping.
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Post by #JusticeForDonGoldberg on Jun 24, 2022 19:35:48 GMT -5
right. Linett made an Atmos mix, in addition to a stereo mix. Just like how Giles made both stereo and Atmos versions of Abbey Road for that anniversary collection. Stereo isn’t Atmos, but Atmos *can* technically play on a stereo system. But the two files would be different. If you have atmos enabled you’ll hear a completely different mix then if you turn it off. So, can we interpret Atmos as having a type of backwards compatibility? yeah sure
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Post by filledeplage on Jun 24, 2022 21:47:15 GMT -5
So, can we interpret Atmos as having a type of backwards compatibility? yeah sure In the sense that if Atmos is not available- then it defaults to stereo. That is the context I meant. Sound is not my expertise.
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Post by Al S on Jun 24, 2022 23:57:59 GMT -5
In the sense that if Atmos is not available- then it defaults to stereo. That is the context I meant. Sound is not my expertise. Atmos streams/files are backwards compatible with other Dolby multi-channel streams. This is because the stream contains The Atmos info as extra info, as opposed to it being Atmos only. Will it play in stereo - that depends on your receiver, eg streamer or receiver - If your streamer can decode a Dolby input, then dumb it down to stereo, you’re on. If your receiver can’t decode Dolby type input, the file or stream won’t play.
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Post by filledeplage on Jun 25, 2022 5:10:31 GMT -5
In the sense that if Atmos is not available- then it defaults to stereo. That is the context I meant. Sound is not my expertise. Atmos streams/files are backwards compatible with other Dolby multi-channel streams. This is because the stream contains The Atmos info as extra info, as opposed to it being Atmos only. Will it play in stereo - that depends on your receiver, eg streamer or receiver - If your streamer can decode a Dolby input, then dumb it down to stereo, you’re on. If your receiver can’t decode Dolby type input, the file or stream won’t play. So, it’s used in theaters and to be integrated into virtual reality, to combine with visual effects. But a use seems to contemplate home theater use as well, which might be an attempt to future-proof the music, if I am understanding a small part of this? Dolby is not the only process, Sony has a type of surround sound as well. There are carmakers looking to integrate it into cars which are an almost sound-proof room, which contemplate drivers using streaming services as well as satellite service or combining those platforms because of the way car speakers are set up, front, side and rear.
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Post by tomtomplayboy on Jun 25, 2022 5:38:56 GMT -5
I listened to CD 1 of Sounds of Summer this morning with a high-density polyethylene bucket on my head and a pair of polyvinyl chloride earplugs in my ears while standing in the hallway with the door closed and a thick acrylic mohair blanket over my CD player and it sounded great. I don't know what everyone is complaining about to be honest...
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Post by filledeplage on Jun 25, 2022 6:09:23 GMT -5
I listened to CD 1 of Sounds of Summer this morning with a high-density polyethylene bucket on my head and a pair of polyvinyl chloride earplugs in my ears while standing in the hallway with the door closed and a thick acrylic mohair blanket over my CD player and it sounded great. I don't know what everyone is complaining about to be honest... 😂
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Post by ironhorseapples on Jun 25, 2022 6:40:00 GMT -5
I listened to CD 1 of Sounds of Summer this morning with a high-density polyethylene bucket on my head and a pair of polyvinyl chloride earplugs in my ears while standing in the hallway with the door closed and a thick acrylic mohair blanket over my CD player and it sounded great. I don't know what everyone is complaining about to be honest... My research concerns new ways of listening to music, and I'm creating a binaural album in VR. Most days I can be found standing in a room with a heavy headset on and a blanket over the mirror, (mirrors interfere with the trackers). I found your post most amusing.
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Post by tomtomplayboy on Jun 25, 2022 8:07:36 GMT -5
I listened to CD 1 of Sounds of Summer this morning with a high-density polyethylene bucket on my head and a pair of polyvinyl chloride earplugs in my ears while standing in the hallway with the door closed and a thick acrylic mohair blanket over my CD player and it sounded great. I don't know what everyone is complaining about to be honest... My research concerns new ways of listening to music, and I'm creating a binaural album in VR. Most days I can be found standing in a room with a heavy headset on and a blanket over the mirror, (mirrors interfere with the trackers). I found your post most amusing. Honestly, I don't mind how anyone listens to music or what they do to make it sound better. But if a CD doesn't just sound great when played on a standard run-of-the-mill CD player then the problem lies with the creators of the CD, not the listener. I read people on various forums saying things like "Sounds of Summer sounds better with Atmos on a proto-CD-hi-vis-rom-com auto-generator" and I just think, "a music buyer shouldn't have to have access to all this simply to enjoy a CD properly".
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Post by ironhorseapples on Jun 25, 2022 10:02:09 GMT -5
My research concerns new ways of listening to music, and I'm creating a binaural album in VR. Most days I can be found standing in a room with a heavy headset on and a blanket over the mirror, (mirrors interfere with the trackers). I found your post most amusing. Honestly, I don't mind how anyone listens to music or what they do to make it sound better. But if a CD doesn't just sound great when played on a standard run-of-the-mill CD player then the problem lies with the creators of the CD, not the listener. I read people on various forums saying things like "Sounds of Summer sounds better with Atmos on a proto-CD-hi-vis-rom-com auto-generator" and I just think, "a music buyer shouldn't have to have access to all this simply to enjoy a CD properly". Oh I agree wholeheartedly. It was just funny how you described my typical workday.
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Post by gigantiskpyjamas on Jun 25, 2022 10:50:29 GMT -5
Is this information about Mark mixing for Dolby Atmos available online? I’m interested in reading and learning more! I was under the impression that the end-product is one Dolby Atmos master file which is then used for encoding for final distribution to streaming services or Blu-ray. That master file contains all of the audio, plus a lot of metadata, which can then be output as 7.1, 5.1, 4.0, stereo or whatever, depending on the kind of set-up the listener has. So you’re saying Mark Linett actually made one Dolby Atmos master file containing a surround version of the album. He then reset everything and made a separate stereo mix from scratch, resulting in two different master files? These two separate master files were then sent to streaming services? Just want to make sure I understand you (and we understand each other)! 🙂 right. Linett made an Atmos mix, in addition to a stereo mix. Just like how Giles made both stereo and Atmos versions of Abbey Road for that anniversary collection. Stereo isn’t Atmos, but Atmos *can* technically play on a stereo system. But the two files would be different. If you have atmos enabled you’ll hear a completely different mix then if you turn it off. So you are one hundred percent certain that the ADM BWF metadata was set to ”role audio.2_0” and NOT ”audio.transform_to.2_0 attribute” prior to it being delivered to streaming services?
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Post by MissilesOfSoul on Jun 25, 2022 11:38:27 GMT -5
You can pretty easily tell the new Stereo and Atmos tracks were made side by side because Surfin Safari still has all that left channel garbage even in the Atmos mix.
The more interesting bit is they remixed songs in Atmos that didn't get a stereo remix. (I.E. the Pet Sounds stuff, Kokomo, Getcha Back, Come Go With Me)
And to reiterate for those who are still confused, Atmos is streaming-only unless they release a blu-ray in the future which I doubt because why would anything nice ever happen. For whatever reason the Atmos mix of SOS is on only AppleMusic and not all services that support Atmos like AmazonMusic and/or Tidal.
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Post by filledeplage on Jun 25, 2022 12:08:18 GMT -5
You can pretty easily tell the new Stereo and Atmos tracks were made side by side because Surfin Safari still has all that left channel garbage even in the Atmos mix. The more interesting bit is they remixed songs in Atmos that didn't get a stereo remix. (I.E. the Pet Sounds stuff, Kokomo, Getcha Back, Come Go With Me) And to reiterate for those who are still confused, Atmos is streaming-only unless they release a blu-ray in the future which I doubt because why would anything nice ever happen. For whatever reason the Atmos mix of SOS is on only AppleMusic and not all services that support Atmos like AmazonMusic and/or Tidal. Thanks for that - I’m on a real learning curve with this. That was very clear. A+ for you! ⭐️🥇
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