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Post by Rick Bartlett on Jun 22, 2022 21:34:06 GMT -5
In a recent live stream, Howie said, 'The Beach Boys approved every inch of artwork and every single mix'. To know that, and to think it still got released, is a head-scratcher...
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Post by Bruce’s Shorts on Jun 22, 2022 22:09:08 GMT -5
In a recent live stream, Howie said, 'The Beach Boys approved every inch of artwork and every single mix'. To know that, and to think it still got released, is a head-scratcher...
Especially head scratching with a band so normally on the money when it comes to business decisions …. ;p
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Post by tomtomplayboy on Jun 23, 2022 9:01:21 GMT -5
In a recent live stream, Howie said, 'The Beach Boys approved every inch of artwork and every single mix'. To know that, and to think it still got released, is a head-scratcher...
The Beach Boys have always been keen for big sales. As Uncut put it in their review of That's Why God Made the Radio: 'Reviewers hailing the title track as their best single since Sail On Sailor would have meant little to them. Seeing the album go top 3 on Billboard will have meant the world'. As such, I can well imagine Mike, Al, Bruce and Brian - who are all 79 or 80 years of age - being giving the Howie line re 'young people will love this new sound and these new mixes, it's what the youth like these days, and it will make them buy the Beach Boys', and deciding it was a good business idea.
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Post by filledeplage on Jun 23, 2022 9:52:02 GMT -5
In a recent live stream, Howie said, 'The Beach Boys approved every inch of artwork and every single mix'. To know that, and to think it still got released, is a head-scratcher...
There is a thread on the Hoffman board (same subject) where a poster suggested that the release may have been set up for Dolby Atmos. I’m no expert on this but some services are saying that their service is in this format. And some are saying it can be heard on any headphones? Another thing I know little about. But, I do know that when I listened over fairly new Sony’s that are wireless, the tracks sounded great. Mine was an apple iTunes [or whatever they call themselves now,] formatted download, but it sounds great over ancient Harmon Kardon computer speakers, on a bluetooth “modification,” with a subwoofer. It fills the space and does sound great. If this is so, then the discussion might need to have a 2nd look, with that Dolby Atmos as a framework. If it has surround sound effects and you are listening to it over equipment that does not support that, it could be qualified within that context and might quiet down some of the angst. Does someone here know whether this is the case? Thanks, in advance.
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Post by gigantiskpyjamas on Jun 23, 2022 10:22:34 GMT -5
In a recent live stream, Howie said, 'The Beach Boys approved every inch of artwork and every single mix'. To know that, and to think it still got released, is a head-scratcher...
There is a thread on the Hoffman board (same subject) where a poster suggested that the release may have been set up for Dolby Atmos. I’m no expert on this but some services are saying that their service is in this format. And some are saying it can be heard on any headphones? Another thing I know little about. But, I do know that when I listened over fairly new Sony’s that are wireless, the tracks sounded great. Mine was an apple iTunes [or whatever they call themselves now,] formatted download, but it sounds great over ancient Harmon Kardon computer speakers, on a bluetooth “modification,” with a subwoofer. It fills the space and does sound great. If this is so, then the discussion might need to have a 2nd look, with that Dolby Atmos as a framework. If it has surround sound effects and you are listening to it over equipment that does not support that, it could be qualified within that context and might quiet down some of the angst. Does someone here know whether this is the case? Thanks, in advance. It’s only disc 1 that’s mixed for Dolby Atmos so by that logic everything on disc 2 and 3 would sound fantastic. The Dolby Atmos function can be turned on or off in Apple Music for example. They are two different streams but both suffer from the same issues. Also, people have reported the same findings on the CD version. I think we can safely assume it has nothing to do with Dolby Atmos.
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Post by dauber on Jun 23, 2022 14:49:03 GMT -5
I heard a DIFFERENCE. I didn't hear the faults he was talking about.
Okay, I heard some A/B-ing on "Baby Blue" on Fred's podcast, and I can hear the hissing now...basically, it's clean, but once the vocal kicks in, there's hissing that quickly fades out whenever the vocal stops. And yeah, it does sound compressed like crazy, as if it were being broadcast over an FM radio. I love the harp being brought forward in the mix though.
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Post by AGD on Jun 24, 2022 4:44:44 GMT -5
It’s only disc 1 that’s mixed for Dolby Atmos so by that logic everything on disc 2 and 3 would sound fantastic. The Dolby Atmos function can be turned on or off in Apple Music for example. They are two different streams but both suffer from the same issues. Also, people have reported the same findings on the CD version. I think we can safely assume it has nothing to do with Dolby Atmos. So... some folk are saying that this release, at least on disc 1, is mixed for a process that a huge chunk on the listeners don't have access to ? And is Atmos an actual mix, or a process that's applied post-mixing ?
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Post by Vale on Jun 24, 2022 4:53:06 GMT -5
It’s only disc 1 that’s mixed for Dolby Atmos so by that logic everything on disc 2 and 3 would sound fantastic. The Dolby Atmos function can be turned on or off in Apple Music for example. They are two different streams but both suffer from the same issues. Also, people have reported the same findings on the CD version. I think we can safely assume it has nothing to do with Dolby Atmos. So... some folk are saying that this release, at least on disc 1, is mixed for a process that a huge chunk on the listeners don't have access to ? And is Atmos an actual mix, or a process that's applied post-mixing ? Besides, it should have been noted somewhere on the package, but I don't see it...
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Post by KenWorthing on Jun 24, 2022 5:42:28 GMT -5
From what I get out of it, the only way to listen to the Atmos version is to stream it via Apple Music. You can't buy it (someone please let me know if it is available for purchase anywhere?).
It is not on CD.1 of 'Sounds of Summer'. Colour me extremely dissapointed, as Atmos works very well (as provided on disc) with the Beatles anniversary boxsets.
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Post by gigantiskpyjamas on Jun 24, 2022 6:36:08 GMT -5
I’m stupid. I gave the Atmos tracks a listen on Apple Music with Atmos activated just now and it actually sounds better than the stereo downmix I’ve been listening to all this time.
”Do You Wanna Dance” doesn’t have that annoying bass distortion. ”Shut Down” has its midrange restored and doesn’t sound as compressed. ”Surfin’ Safari” is still plagued by digital artifacts but are slightly less pronounced here and the track is a lot less compressed. ”Be True To Your School” sounds like old school duophonic but that track is mono anyway. All of the Pet Sounds material sounds lovely (just as it does in standard stereo) but ”Help Me, Rhonda” actually sounds worse in Atmos.
I’ve never been a fan of Dolby Atmos, Sony 360 Reality Audio and the like but it sounds to me like it’s some sort of compatibility issue. Is there something going wrong with the encoding or downmix to stereo?
Again, this only pertains to tracks 1-30 on disc one as the rest of the new mixes are stereo only. This means ”Marcella”, ”Let Us Go On This Way”, ”Baby Blue” and others sounds exactly the same.
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Post by tomtomplayboy on Jun 24, 2022 7:09:39 GMT -5
If I buy a CD then I expect that CD to have decent audio quality when I insert it into my CD player and press play without there being a bunch of caveats. They were quite capable of doing this with all archive releases prior to 2021.
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Post by filledeplage on Jun 24, 2022 8:14:19 GMT -5
Lest I continue as a dummy with this new-fangled Dolby Atmos, I decided to find out a little. oldtimemusic.com/does-dolby-atmos-work-with-bluetooth-headphones/The article I cited is - Does Dolby Atmos work with Bluetooth Headphones? And, only disc one - or for me, it is the first 30 tracks of the new release. So, what did I learn? It is also an app? Wait! What? Can it be used with normal headphones? I guess so. And needs binaural (is that like Surfer Girl in binaural?) “Binaural 360-degree technology” Atmos sounds like a whole sphere of technology, not just what comes out as sound and integrated into a ton of platforms. Since it is only Disc One or the 1st 30 songs, is there a difference as between the 1st 30 of Disc One and the other 50? Let’s narrow this down, if possible.
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Post by #JusticeForDonGoldberg on Jun 24, 2022 9:10:59 GMT -5
Atmos is a surround format. The Atmos mixes are *completely different* from the stereo mixes. The quality of one has absolutely nothing to do with the quality of the other. Atmos is *only available* if you have a streaming service that supports it, and have it enabled. Otherwise you’re hearing the standard stereo mixes. If you purchased the CD you’re only hearing the standard stereo mixes. If you purchased it on iTunes or some other music downloading service, you’re only hearing the stereo mixes.
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Post by filledeplage on Jun 24, 2022 9:17:56 GMT -5
Atmos is a surround format. The Atmos mixes are *completely different* from the stereo mixes. The quality of one has absolutely nothing to do with the quality of the other. Atmos is *only available* if you have a streaming service that supports it, and have it enabled. Otherwise you’re hearing the standard stereo mixes. If you purchased the CD you’re only hearing the standard stereo mixes. If you purchased it on iTunes or some other music downloading service, you’re only hearing the stereo mixes. Thank you. So, is it correct to say that Atmos is compatible with conventional stereo? Or, is it correct that if you don’t have Atmos headphones, with an “app” it is defaulted to stereo? Does the Atmos clash with stereo and is that the issue?
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Post by #JusticeForDonGoldberg on Jun 24, 2022 9:37:50 GMT -5
Atmos is a surround format. The Atmos mixes are *completely different* from the stereo mixes. The quality of one has absolutely nothing to do with the quality of the other. Atmos is *only available* if you have a streaming service that supports it, and have it enabled. Otherwise you’re hearing the standard stereo mixes. If you purchased the CD you’re only hearing the standard stereo mixes. If you purchased it on iTunes or some other music downloading service, you’re only hearing the stereo mixes. Thank you. So, is it correct to say that Atmos is compatible with conventional stereo? Or, is it correct that if you don’t have Atmos headphones, with an “app” it is defaulted to stereo? Does the Atmos clash with stereo and is that the issue? No. If you’re using a standard pair of headphones or speakers, unless you manually enabled it, it won’t be there. No clashing of anything. If you enabled it and you see the logo then it’s there. If you didn’t and you don’t then it’s not.
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Post by KenWorthing on Jun 24, 2022 9:39:40 GMT -5
Atmos is a surround format. The Atmos mixes are *completely different* from the stereo mixes. The quality of one has absolutely nothing to do with the quality of the other. Atmos is *only available* if you have a streaming service that supports it, and have it enabled. Otherwise you’re hearing the standard stereo mixes. If you purchased the CD you’re only hearing the standard stereo mixes. If you purchased it on iTunes or some other music downloading service, you’re only hearing the stereo mixes. I'm just going to add to your post. Affrontage is not intended.
Atmos is a surround format.
Yes, that's right. Primarily used for movies, but has been applied for some music (most notably on separate Atmos only discs in the Beatles Anniversary boxsets, where it has been used to amazing effect).
The Atmos mixes are *completely different* from the stereo mixes.
Indeed. Totally different formats. Either standard Stereo (2-Channel) works for you, or Atmos (Surround) works for you. 2 x different. Apples and Potatoes.
The quality of one has absolutely nothing to do with the quality of the other.
Yes, indeed. By their very nature (surround sound), they are different to stereo mixes
Atmos is *only available* if you have a streaming service that supports it, and have it enabled.
It's supposed to be on TIDAL, but isn't for this album. I've only found one random '60's compilation on TIDAL that had 2 x Beach Boys songs in Atmos. As far as I can see, it's only available on Apple and only to Stream and not purchase.
Otherwise you’re hearing the standard stereo mixes.
True in every instance, except for Apple.
If you purchased the CD you’re only hearing the standard stereo mixes.
Yes, because the CD does not offer the Atmos mixes.
If you purchased it on iTunes or some other music downloading service, you’re only hearing the stereo mixes.
Yes, because the surround Atmos mixes are not available to purchase.
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Post by filledeplage on Jun 24, 2022 11:19:47 GMT -5
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Post by gigantiskpyjamas on Jun 24, 2022 11:45:49 GMT -5
I’m sorry but I will have to respectfully disagree regarding Dolby Atmos. Apart from the odd physical release (like the aforementioned Beatles deluxe editions where it is available on Blu-ray discs) Dolby Atmos mixes are available via streaming on Apple Music, Amazon and Tidal. It is not available to buy in physical format on standard red book CDs. In the case of Atmos, there’s only one ”stream” or audio file and not two discrete mixes (i.e. Atmos and stereo). ”Atmos is object-based rather than reliant on discrete channels, the metadata of its up to 118 sound objects can be replicated on any system that has a Dolby Atmos renderer, be that a 64 speaker cinema, a 7.1.2 soundbar, an Echo Studio or a pair of headphones connected to an iPhone.” (Source: www.whathifi.com/features/why-i-have-a-problem-with-dolby-atmos-music)The Atmos stream is rendered and downmixed into stereo by the hardware (in my case, an iPhone). Maybe, just maybe, there is something wrong with the immersive audio source profile which results in the rendering being faulty. As I noted in my previous post, the bass distortion was gone when I listened to ”Do You Wanna Dance” in Atmos but it’s there clear as day in the stereo downmix. Calling all Dolby Atmos experts, help us out! I’m certainly no expert on the inner workings of Atmos, I’m just thinking aloud.
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Post by #JusticeForDonGoldberg on Jun 24, 2022 12:03:31 GMT -5
In the case of Atmos, there’s only one ”stream” or audio file and not two discrete mixes (i.e. Atmos and stereo). false. An Atmos mix is an Atmos mix, a stereo mix is a stereo mix. Two different things.
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Post by filledeplage on Jun 24, 2022 12:16:13 GMT -5
In the case of Atmos, there’s only one ”stream” or audio file and not two discrete mixes (i.e. Atmos and stereo). false. An Atmos mix is an Atmos mix, a stereo mix is a stereo mix. Two different things. The article mentioned two different kinds of Atmos - apple uses one exclusively. Of course stereo is different.
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Post by gigantiskpyjamas on Jun 24, 2022 12:57:09 GMT -5
In the case of Atmos, there’s only one ”stream” or audio file and not two discrete mixes (i.e. Atmos and stereo). false. An Atmos mix is an Atmos mix, a stereo mix is a stereo mix. Two different things. Yes, they are two different mixes but they originate from the same source file. The stereo mix is rendered by the hardware. They are not two discrete mixes until rendered.
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Post by #JusticeForDonGoldberg on Jun 24, 2022 13:27:35 GMT -5
false. An Atmos mix is an Atmos mix, a stereo mix is a stereo mix. Two different things. Yes, they are two different mixes but they originate from the same source file. The stereo mix is rendered by the hardware. They are not two discrete mixes until rendered. no! They *are* two discreet mixes. Mark Linett or whoever did the mixes made two completely separate mixes, a stereo mix and an atmos mix. They’re not the same, one has nothing to do with the other.
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Post by gigantiskpyjamas on Jun 24, 2022 14:27:52 GMT -5
Yes, they are two different mixes but they originate from the same source file. The stereo mix is rendered by the hardware. They are not two discrete mixes until rendered. no! They *are* two discreet mixes. Mark Linett or whoever did the mixes made two completely separate mixes, a stereo mix and an atmos mix. They’re not the same, one has nothing to do with the other. Is this information about Mark mixing for Dolby Atmos available online? I’m interested in reading and learning more! I was under the impression that the end-product is one Dolby Atmos master file which is then used for encoding for final distribution to streaming services or Blu-ray. That master file contains all of the audio, plus a lot of metadata, which can then be output as 7.1, 5.1, 4.0, stereo or whatever, depending on the kind of set-up the listener has. So you’re saying Mark Linett actually made one Dolby Atmos master file containing a surround version of the album. He then reset everything and made a separate stereo mix from scratch, resulting in two different master files? These two separate master files were then sent to streaming services? Just want to make sure I understand you (and we understand each other)! 🙂
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Post by AGD on Jun 24, 2022 14:30:37 GMT -5
Is this information about Mark mixing for Dolby Atmos available online? I just asked SWWK*: Mark did the Atmos mix. [* Someone Who Would Know]
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Post by Bruce’s Shorts on Jun 24, 2022 14:46:27 GMT -5
Listening now in Atmos and things sound overall better but I’m still having to turn the volume down IN THE MIDDLE OF SONGS. Truly bizarre.
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