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Post by E on May 18, 2022 8:29:10 GMT -5
I know, but they can get away with writing a similar kind of raunch they did in the early 60s whereas the Beatles would have been slated had their final album been along the lines of something they recorded in 63.
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Post by filledeplage on May 18, 2022 8:47:53 GMT -5
Was that Jack or was that Brian? The story I remember is this. The band was recording at Brian's house, and Brian was upstairs. Brian comes downstairs and has a piece of paper that essentially says that they will now just go by Beach as the band name. There is a spot for each Beach Boy to sign to make it official. Noone agrees, and Brian goes back upstairs to his room.
I could be wrong, but that is what I remember reading.
There was this interview series with Jack, on a platform called “flasher” and I vaguely remember it being discussed. That video has to be at least 12 or so years old. Jack appeared on the scene in the early 70s. There was some thread on reddit that mentions this “piece of paper” to sign which seems extremely informal and more like a holographic will (that you draft yourself) than an official change of a corporate name. And the opposition was appropriate because that is how they were known. Maybe someone else remembers that video series.
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Post by AGD on May 18, 2022 10:06:05 GMT -5
The story I remember is this. The band was recording at Brian's house, and Brian was upstairs. Brian comes downstairs and has a piece of paper that essentially says that they will now just go by Beach as the band name. There is a spot for each Beach Boy to sign to make it official. Noone agrees, and Brian goes back upstairs to his room.
I could be wrong, but that is what I remember reading.
There was this interview series with Jack, on a platform called “flasher” and I vaguely remember it being discussed. That video has to be at least 12 or so years old. Jack appeared on the scene in the early 70s. There was some thread on reddit that mentions this “piece of paper” to sign which seems extremely informal and more like a holographic will (that you draft yourself) than an official change of a corporate name. And the opposition was appropriate because that is how they were known. Maybe someone else remembers that video series. Catch A Wave: The Rise, Fall And Redemption Of The Beach Boys' Brian Wilson p. 147 (UK hardback edition 2006).
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Post by filledeplage on May 18, 2022 10:23:01 GMT -5
There was this interview series with Jack, on a platform called “flasher” and I vaguely remember it being discussed. That video has to be at least 12 or so years old. Jack appeared on the scene in the early 70s. There was some thread on reddit that mentions this “piece of paper” to sign which seems extremely informal and more like a holographic will (that you draft yourself) than an official change of a corporate name. And the opposition was appropriate because that is how they were known. Maybe someone else remembers that video series. Catch A Wave: The Rise, Fall And Redemption Of The Beach Boys' Brian Wilson p. 147 (UK hardback edition 2006). Andrew - are those videos of Jack gone? Thanks for the citation. I think those videos came out around the re-release of POB.
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Post by smash em now on May 18, 2022 11:36:05 GMT -5
Yep, the Carl and the Passions- “So Tough” LP did not have “The Beach Boys” on the front cover. I found it confusing when the the guy at the record store showed it to me. Because it was combined with Pet Sounds, I knew it had to be them. When I finally purchased the LPs, the labels did have “The Beach Boys” below the album title. Honestly, I thought was a just a marketing ploy. The 8-Track was much easier to identify, as The Beach Boys was clearly on the bottom edge label. Actually, it did, but quite subtly. Mine does not.
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Post by AGD on May 18, 2022 12:48:07 GMT -5
Interesting - thanks for that...
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Post by drbeachboy (Dirk) on May 18, 2022 14:06:03 GMT -5
Actually, it did, but quite subtly. Mine does not. This is how my album looks, as well.
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Post by John Manning on May 18, 2022 14:18:38 GMT -5
Hmm… how many variants exist, I wonder?
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Post by Will/P.P. on May 18, 2022 14:25:05 GMT -5
I might be very off here, but unless I am very mistaken, weren’t there versions of Carl and the passions where, at least on the front cover, the Beach Boys name was absolutely nowhere to be found? I’m not entirely sure what they were trying to do with that, the album title, adding the new members, but I certainly don’t rule out the fact they may have been trying to completely rebrand themselves. If CATP was somehow absolutely wildly successful, is it possible the next year we could’ve seen an album titled Carl and the Passions - "Holland”? And then a Carl and the Passions - "In Concert"? No rebranding in America! Not when they decided to re-release Pet Sounds as a "bonus" record. Created a gatefold sleeve, too. That was beautiful. Much better than the single disc back cover with everybody bunched on top of each other. An already doctored photo to stick Brian in - I thought the gatefold inner photo looked great. Will agree that the front cover did not represent the music that was inside. Nothing "looking back to the mid-60s" the cover implied. The music, except for maybe "Marcella", was progressive. My hope for the new set is the inclusion of some of what Brian was doing with Spring will be included.
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Post by AGD on May 18, 2022 14:29:52 GMT -5
My hope for the new set is the inclusion of some of what Brian was doing with Spring will be included. Granted things may have changed of late, but for some good time my understanding has been that Marilyn has the Spring masters in her possession. There is, of course, no reason why Brother should have them.
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Post by John Manning on May 18, 2022 14:49:31 GMT -5
My hope for the new set is the inclusion of some of what Brian was doing with Spring will be included. Granted things may have changed of late, but for some good time my understanding has been that Marilyn has the Spring masters in her possession. There is, of course, no reason why Brother should have them. Who paid for the Spring sessions, and for Brian’s co-production duties?
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Post by filledeplage on May 18, 2022 14:56:26 GMT -5
I might be very off here, but unless I am very mistaken, weren’t there versions of Carl and the passions where, at least on the front cover, the Beach Boys name was absolutely nowhere to be found? I’m not entirely sure what they were trying to do with that, the album title, adding the new members, but I certainly don’t rule out the fact they may have been trying to completely rebrand themselves. If CATP was somehow absolutely wildly successful, is it possible the next year we could’ve seen an album titled Carl and the Passions - "Holland”? And then a Carl and the Passions - "In Concert"? No rebranding in America! Not when they decided to re-release Pet Sounds as a "bonus" record. Created a gatefold sleeve, too. That was beautiful. Much better than the single disc back cover with everybody bunched on top of each other. An already doctored photo to stick Brian in - I thought the gatefold inner photo looked great. Will agree that the front cover did not represent the music that was inside. Nothing "looking back to the mid-60s" the cover implied. The music, except for maybe "Marcella", was progressive. My hope for the new set is the inclusion of some of what Brian was doing with Spring will be included. To some, it may have sounded weird, especially if they only grew up with digital tracks, but I surely was happy to have a fresh unscratched, Pet Sounds LP, after wearing out those grooves from 1966, to CATP release.
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Post by AGD on May 18, 2022 15:20:42 GMT -5
Granted things may have changed of late, but for some good time my understanding has been that Marilyn has the Spring masters in her possession. There is, of course, no reason why Brother should have them. Who paid for the Spring sessions, and for Brian’s co-production duties? I'm guessing United Artists. 🙂
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Post by Mikie on May 18, 2022 16:04:27 GMT -5
My first run 1972 copy doesn't have "The Beach Boys" across the top in either black or white print. Nuthin'.
For a bunch of years after I bought my copy of the album in '72, I always thought that the black & white photo of the group in the inner sleeve of CT&P included Brian. I didn't think anything of it. Then a couple of decades later, the exact same photo of Brian surfaced in a different photo of the group. Ed Thrasher had copy and pasted and air-brushed Brian from one group photo into the group photo on the Carl & The Passions album, and it worked well. He did a great job!
I bought the CT&P album (bundled with Pet Sounds) in 1972 for 2 bucks at a flea market! The shrink wrap was still on it, it but it was opened. At that point, I already had Greatest Hits Vol. 1 and the I Get Around single and the Good Vibrations single and was just getting going. I bought the 2-vinyl set for the Pet Sounds album. I didn't know who C&TP was at that time. Got home, opened it up, and at first didn't understand the inner sleeve photos from different eras with the different members and the very different faces. I thought I'd been ripped off! Then I remember comparing notes and reading the names on the credits and tying the two albums together. SAME GROUP!! The music and voices were sure a helluva lot different than Pet Sounds! Bedtime, lights out, I'd put on my Sennheiser headphones and park the needle on Side 2. 'Hold On Dear Brother', 'Make it Good', 'All This Is That', and finish with the beautiful 'Cuddle Up'. Then the tonearm lifted off the player and by then I was in Never-Never Land.....
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Post by ian on May 18, 2022 21:25:23 GMT -5
Don’t know why but it took me many years to appreciate the twofer of Carl and the Passions/ Holland after buying it on CD. It has grown on me but it is still not one of my most played collections-maybe, however, the box set will change that. I sort of view those albums like certain vegetables-you know it’s good for you but…I want to love those LPs but I just like them instead.
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Post by boogieboarder on May 19, 2022 8:45:53 GMT -5
You know that commercial with the guy who falls asleep during Carl and the Passions - So Tough, and wakes up during Pet Sounds? Isn’t that unintentionally the truth?
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Post by filledeplage on May 19, 2022 8:50:38 GMT -5
Don’t know why but it took me many years to appreciate the twofer of Carl and the Passions/ Holland after buying it on CD. It has grown on me but it is still not one of my most played collections-maybe, however, the box set will change that. I sort of view those albums like certain vegetables-you know it’s good for you but…I want to love those LPs but I just like them instead. Those two albums really shine, live where the best tracks are highlighted, with Blondie on some of the leads. That concert album never ceases to energize and inspire me. Even when it was a pain to flip the concert LPs multiple times. It’s the best!🥇
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Post by Awesoman on May 19, 2022 8:55:27 GMT -5
Don’t know why but it took me many years to appreciate the twofer of Carl and the Passions/ Holland after buying it on CD. It has grown on me but it is still not one of my most played collections-maybe, however, the box set will change that. I sort of view those albums like certain vegetables-you know it’s good for you but…I want to love those LPs but I just like them instead. Honestly the whole 𝑆𝑢𝑛𝑓𝑙𝑜𝑤𝑒𝑟 - 𝐻𝑜𝑙𝑙𝑎𝑛𝑑 period of this band has proven to become a highly remarkable era in this group's history. Hell, I suppose you could throw in their other previous albums after 𝑃𝑒𝑡 𝑆𝑜𝑢𝑛𝑑𝑠 as well into the mix. Over the years I've been glad to see this era of music finally getting the attention it deserves. Sort of reminiscent of the Rolling Stones' period of putting out really strong, engaging albums from 𝐵𝑒𝑔𝑔𝑎𝑟𝑠 𝐵𝑎𝑛𝑞𝑢𝑒𝑡 to 𝐸𝑥𝑖𝑙𝑒 𝑂𝑛 𝑀𝑎𝑖𝑛 𝑆𝑡. I'll be curious once we get into perhaps dodgier territory if we'll get expanded editions of the group's album. Should we expect a deluxe edition of albums like 𝐾𝑒𝑒𝑝𝑖𝑛' 𝑇ℎ𝑒 𝑆𝑢𝑚𝑚𝑒𝑟 𝐴𝑙𝑖𝑣𝑒? 🤣
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Post by AGD on May 19, 2022 9:02:59 GMT -5
I'll be curious once we get into perhaps dodgier territory if we'll get expanded editions of the group's album. Should we expect a deluxe edition of albums like 𝐾𝑒𝑒𝑝𝑖𝑛' 𝑇ℎ𝑒 𝑆𝑢𝑚𝑚𝑒𝑟 𝐴𝑙𝑖𝑣𝑒? 🤣 If there's still a market for it, and someone prepared to put in the hard work preparing it: none of us are getting any younger. One thing I can safely say is that there won't be a 2042 CopEx of Summer In Paradise.
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Post by John Manning on May 19, 2022 10:03:42 GMT -5
I'll be curious once we get into perhaps dodgier territory if we'll get expanded editions of the group's album. Should we expect a deluxe edition of albums like 𝐾𝑒𝑒𝑝𝑖𝑛' 𝑇ℎ𝑒 𝑆𝑢𝑚𝑚𝑒𝑟 𝐴𝑙𝑖𝑣𝑒? 🤣 If there's still a market for it, and someone prepared to put in the hard work preparing it: none of us are getting any younger. One thing I can safely say is that there won't be a 2042 CopEx of Summer In Paradise. I'd buy it (of course) but I wouldn't pre-order it, given that I'd be in my late 70s by then and anything could happen before release date!
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Post by John Manning on May 19, 2022 10:04:41 GMT -5
Am I tempted to play the Blind Luck Release Date game again?
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Post by John Manning on May 19, 2022 10:08:02 GMT -5
Am I tempted to play the Blind Luck Release Date game again?
Ach, no, that's a Queen boxed set… try harder Manning!
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Post by boogieboarder on May 19, 2022 12:53:03 GMT -5
If there's still a market for it, and someone prepared to put in the hard work preparing it: none of us are getting any younger. One thing I can safely say is that there won't be a 2042 CopEx of Summer In Paradise. I'd buy it (of course) but I wouldn't pre-order it, given that I'd be in my late 70s by then and anything could happen before release date! Looking forward to the 50th Anniversary of the 50th Anniversary LP - when I'll be 113 years old. It could happen.
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Post by jds on May 19, 2022 13:02:37 GMT -5
I think the dearth of "logged" sessions and studio boots from 1973 - 1974 is sort of promising in its own weird way. Not sure if this box would cover that period, but it makes more sense for orphaned material to be grouped with Holland-era than with 15BO. Or maybe they were completely burned out and Ding Dang, Battle Hymn, etc. really was all they got up to.
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Post by jds on May 19, 2022 18:53:04 GMT -5
Mike's comments are still interesting. The numbers are probably fudged, but it's harder to believe they just downed tools creatively for the better part of two years like the sessionography might suggest.
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