barnsy
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Post by barnsy on Apr 30, 2022 15:34:59 GMT -5
This new GV mix is not going to become my go-to - the centred vocal doesn't sit right for me with the stereo backing track - and of course it's not going to work for everyone all the time but I do appreciate it coming out and having the opportunity to hear what it might offer.
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Post by dauber on Apr 30, 2022 19:23:24 GMT -5
"Unavail. Individ." Which defeats the purpose of getting just the new stuff. Not that I really give a crap about it...I'm not champing at the bit for yet another mix of, oh, "Don't Worry, Baby" or "Dance, Dance, Dance."
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Post by dauber on Apr 30, 2022 19:23:53 GMT -5
This new GV mix is not going to become my go-to - the centred vocal doesn't sit right for me with the stereo backing track - and of course it's not going to work for everyone all the time but I do appreciate it coming out and having the opportunity to hear what it might offer.
Outside of The Beach Boys...that's how most stereo mixes tend to be.
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debonbon
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Post by debonbon on Apr 30, 2022 20:28:27 GMT -5
Finally listened to this on headphones. Sounds great given what they have to work with. And no vocal more tape dropout on “and the way the…”!
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Post by #JusticeForDonGoldberg on May 1, 2022 15:04:37 GMT -5
"Unavail. Individ." Which defeats the purpose of getting just the new stuff. Not that I really give a crap about it...I'm not champing at the bit for yet another mix of, oh, "Don't Worry, Baby" or "Dance, Dance, Dance." You’ll be able to purchase each track individually on the day that the album is released. $1.99 for CD Quality, or $2.49 for 24 Bit/88 KHz Alternatively you’ll be able to go over to iTunes or Amazon and purchase each lossy track for $1.29. This is no different than how any other album works. The only reason that 79 out of the 80 tracks say unavailable is because the album hasn’t been released yet. But given there’s 24 remixes on the set, it’ll probably be cheaper overall just to purchase the whole thing for 30 bucks. In fact it’s already down to 25 bucks on Amazon here… www.amazon.com/Sounds-Summer-Very-Beach-Expanded/dp/B09XGKHPVC/ref=mp_s_a_1_2?crid=X4RGCD0DU43S&keywords=sounds+of+Summer+expanded&qid=1651435373&sprefix=sounds+of+summer+expanded%2Caps%2C172&sr=8-2And alternatively to all of this, if you don’t want to pay a single dime but still want to listen to the remixes, they’ll be on YouTube officially for completely free with ads, just like feel flows
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barnsy
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Post by barnsy on May 1, 2022 17:58:05 GMT -5
This new GV mix is not going to become my go-to - the centred vocal doesn't sit right for me with the stereo backing track - and of course it's not going to work for everyone all the time but I do appreciate it coming out and having the opportunity to hear what it might offer.
Outside of The Beach Boys...that's how most stereo mixes tend to be.
Yeah, the specific thing for me was that the vocal sounded too low relative to the backing track but listening some more I think it was that my brain was paying more attention to the backing track with it being new and after more plays, and my brain getting used it to it, the levels seem much better and it sounds pretty good. Just goes to show how much of a personal filter we might be applying without realising and also made me think about how many decades of listening to BB music might have altered my perception of what I'm hearing.
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Post by E on May 2, 2022 3:30:53 GMT -5
Outside of The Beach Boys...that's how most stereo mixes tend to be.
Yeah, the specific thing for me was that the vocal sounded too low relative to the backing track but listening some more I think it was that my brain was paying more attention to the backing track with it being new and after more plays, and my brain getting used it to it, the levels seem much better and it sounds pretty good. Just goes to show how much of a personal filter we might be applying without realising and also made me think about how many decades of listening to BB music might have altered my perception of what I'm hearing. I remember having that t-shirt in your avatar and spebding most of the evening in a bar talking to an American girl who thought it was Mickey Rourke... (before his cosmetic surgery)
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Post by Awesoman on May 2, 2022 7:23:24 GMT -5
"Unavail. Individ." Which defeats the purpose of getting just the new stuff. Not that I really give a crap about it...I'm not champing at the bit for yet another mix of, oh, "Don't Worry, Baby" or "Dance, Dance, Dance." Yeah it's currently saying "Unavail. Individ." because the album hasn't been released yet. But if you scroll down to "Good Vibrations" you can totally purchase that and download it individually since it has been released as a single. I'm assuming once the album comes out you can do the same with all the other individual tracks you want. Qubuz is pretty good about that usually.
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Post by Awesoman on May 2, 2022 7:39:41 GMT -5
That’s got some weird song playing orders, like: Pom Pom Play Girl Wind Chimes (Stereo Mix) I Went To Sleep Farmer's Daughter Let Us Go On This Way (2021 Mix) You Need A Mess Of Help To Stand Alone (2021 Mix) The Night Was So Young I guess they were really influenced by the Beach Boys' SiriusXM's totally random song sequencing order. 🤣
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Post by dauber on May 2, 2022 8:13:31 GMT -5
I guess they were really influenced by the Beach Boys' SiriusXM's totally random song sequencing order. 🤣
Naaaaaah. If they were, then "409" would be on there at least three times per disc.
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barnsy
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Post by barnsy on May 2, 2022 11:01:58 GMT -5
Yeah, the specific thing for me was that the vocal sounded too low relative to the backing track but listening some more I think it was that my brain was paying more attention to the backing track with it being new and after more plays, and my brain getting used it to it, the levels seem much better and it sounds pretty good. Just goes to show how much of a personal filter we might be applying without realising and also made me think about how many decades of listening to BB music might have altered my perception of what I'm hearing. I remember having that t-shirt in your avatar and spebding most of the evening in a bar talking to an American girl who thought it was Mickey Rourke... (before his cosmetic surgery) Haha, I can totally see that - 9½ Weeks era Mickey.
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Post by Mikie on May 2, 2022 11:24:41 GMT -5
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Post by #JusticeForDonGoldberg on May 2, 2022 14:15:30 GMT -5
It appears the orange one is not new, but the original 2003 tracklist and mastering.
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Post by Mikie on May 2, 2022 14:37:09 GMT -5
It appears the orange one is not new, but the original 2003 tracklist and mastering. Released in 2019 for the previous Sounds Of Summer release. Target has some left over from three years ago. Take it or leave it at a reasonable price.
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Post by monolithic on May 2, 2022 19:55:53 GMT -5
I'm late to the discussion here but, as some others have intimated, the songs seem to have been thrown together in a remarkably haphazard manner. It doesn't exactly seem like discs 2 and 3 will be a cohesive listening experience.
It would have been more interesting, to me at least, if they could have included some songs not found on other compilations. Rock and Roll to the Rescue and Somewhere Near Japan (single mix), for example. Or the unreleased version of California Calling.
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Post by Awesoman on May 3, 2022 8:33:12 GMT -5
This new GV mix is not going to become my go-to - the centred vocal doesn't sit right for me with the stereo backing track - and of course it's not going to work for everyone all the time but I do appreciate it coming out and having the opportunity to hear what it might offer. You would think with all the advanced frequency separation techniques we currently have in audio editing technology that they would be able to find a way to split up the vocal tracks to some extent. There's even a website out there that will split the vocals and instrumental tracks to any song you upload to it (https://mvsep.com/). Oh well. Points given to Linett and the team for a little creativity in the mixing process. Maybe some day a miracle will take place and all the missing tracks to "Good Vibrations" (and all the other songs in the same boat) will be unearthed and true stereo mixes will commence.
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Post by Joshilyn Hoisington on May 3, 2022 10:30:54 GMT -5
This new GV mix is not going to become my go-to - the centred vocal doesn't sit right for me with the stereo backing track - and of course it's not going to work for everyone all the time but I do appreciate it coming out and having the opportunity to hear what it might offer. You would think with all the advanced frequency separation techniques we currently have in audio editing technology that they would be able to find a way to split up the vocal tracks to some extent. There's even a website out there that will split the vocals and instrumental tracks to any song you upload to it (https://mvsep.com/). Oh well. Points given to Linett and the team for a little creativity in the mixing process. Maybe some day a miracle will take place and all the missing tracks to "Good Vibrations" (and all the other songs in the same boat) will be unearthed and true stereo mixes will commence. AI is getting pretty good at separating vocals from instruments, but it's still really terrible at separating vocals from other vocals and instruments from other instruments. The problem is that it's really hard to use the right training data for each scenario that comes up. To separate, say, Beach Boys vocals, you'd have to train the AI on each of the Beach Boys voices, and then tell it what you want split out. Obviously, that's not really a something that anybody is going to spend time doing. And then of course, you'd have to account for different recording scenarios and effects, too -- you'd have to tell the AI that the sample data you're training is Bruce singing at Western using Chamber No. 2 with some tape slap. That way, when you want to extract Bruce out of a vocal stack from Western, it knows what to "look" for. Without that level of specificity, vocals just sound like vocals to AI.
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Post by sailorwailer123 on May 5, 2022 3:52:41 GMT -5
Anyone have any idea when the next teaser remix is coming out? Perhaps this Friday?
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Post by #JusticeForDonGoldberg on May 5, 2022 12:01:26 GMT -5
Anyone have any idea when the next teaser remix is coming out? Perhaps this Friday? I don’t think so. The first two “Feel Flows” singles were released three weeks and a day apart, June 3 and June 25. So… May 20?
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Post by ironhorseapples on May 7, 2022 8:19:13 GMT -5
Hi All.
I've been on silent for awhile due to some ongoing difficulties, but thought I'd chime in on this one.
Firstly, I consider Good Vibrations, in all its glorious mono, as being as close to perfect as a pop recording can be. However, like a slightly non-symmetrical face, there are some imperfections which enhance rather than detract from the overall sense of beauty. For example, there is a certain amount of sibilance on Carl's lead. This works great on the original, but it becomes glaring and highly noticeable on all of these stereo mixes.
Unfortunately this is hard to avoid as the extraction process introduces high frequency artefacts to the source, especially when it is pitted against reverberant material such as Carl's vocal. Add this to the fact that Carl's vocal is competing with instruments which share the same register. The AI, however good, leaves some of the signals from the track behind, which greatly affects the sound. Thus the sibilance, which sounded natural and 'perfect' in the mono mix, becomes harsh and distracting.
Furthermore, a mono mix is all about depth, and boy does Good Vibrations play with that depth as the room space literally changes from section to section. Where that vocal once sat in resplendent glory within the vertices of the track, it has now been chiselled off and glued into a horizontal space it was never meant to inhabit, with the rude marks of its extraction on full display. It loses both its impact and its intimacy, it's poignancy lost through repositioning.
Whilst I have nothing against these mixes as curios and experiments, it concerns me greatly that they are going to be used in place of the original, being released as they are on a major compilation.
I am reminded of Brian's thoughts on his perfect mono mix.
I remember the time that we had it. It was at Columbia. I remember I had it right in the sack. I could just feel it when I dubbed it down, made the final mix from the 16 track down to mono. It was a feeling of power, it was a rush. A feeling of exaltation. Artistic beauty. It was everything.
Whilst his memory about the track count may be off, I don't doubt for one minute his recollection of that moment where artistic perfection is achieved.
3D glasses do not make the ceiling of the Sistine Chapel any more impressive, and Good Vibrations is best experienced in mono as its creator intended, not as this sibilant heavy diminishment we are now being presented with on the flagship compilation.
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Post by boogieboarder on May 7, 2022 9:09:02 GMT -5
There are many examples of strong, powerful, mono hit singles from the sixties that lost much of their impact when the stereo versions were released on an album, even contemporaneous legitimate stereo mixes from multi-track tapes. A perfect example is The Beatles’ “Revolution,” where John Lennon’s loud distorted guitar lost its prominence in the stereo mix.
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Post by Rick Bartlett on May 7, 2022 9:39:18 GMT -5
.........Whilst I have nothing against these mixes as curios and experiments, it concerns me greatly that they are going to be used in place of the original, being released as they are on a major compilation....... Yes, and time is proving this is EXACTLY what is happening with re-releases. Most of the compilations now have the recreated 'Stereo' versions of the Pet Sounds classic Mono tunes. Who decided that this was the best approach? Replacing original mixes with the 'latest' version doesn't sit well with me at all. Just because it's a recreation, it doesn't make it better, nor does it make it authentic. I hear people arguing, 'yeah but, you'll always have the original there', that's fine if you know what and where to find it. People discovering this music, and going to be discovering it through someone elses 'filtered' ears, and not Brian's or Chuck's. Let there be a place for the 'experimental', but it kind of sucks to see some of these 'mixes' or even 'remasterings' replace the great original versions. Even '50 Big One's' had the Stereo version of 'Darlin' included, and while it's an 'interesting' listen, it is NOT what the 'Mono' had or intended, but that's an example of replacing something that was fine to begin with. While I enjoy 'some' of the remixes and remasters, I'm not a fan or rewriting history. These labels are getting 'cocky' like 'oh, they won't notice, and this is better cos we say so' attitude. By the way, as interesting as the new 'Good Vibes' stereo mix is, it should have been added as a 'bonus track' and not 'THE' track. It's not that good.... ... I'll await your attacks lol edit: endlessharmony.boards.net/thread/1983/beach-boys-remix-remasters-handIf you want to discuss this specifically, bring it over to this thread eh? Let's not clog up this light hearted thread
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Post by Steve Mayo on May 7, 2022 9:47:31 GMT -5
No attacks from me Rick because i agree with you on this. Keep stereo mixes as a bonus track not as a replacement for the original version.
Btw…. belated birthday greetings
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Post by bbfinfl on May 7, 2022 11:35:40 GMT -5
This is just my opinion so feel free to disagree. My original mid-70s vinyl PS and Smilee Smile both sound horrible-dull, muddy, and of course are in mono. H/V sounds like it is being played from a 2x3" speaker. We all know that PS was folded down over and over, so you are multiple generations away from the original sound-with sonic loss each time. Consider to those in the room with both ears working, the sound was indeed in "stereo" when played and sung. At times SiriusXM plays an original mono mix of a BBs song and it frankly sounds embarrassingly horrible in comparison with the newer mixes from the discrete master tracks. Consider this: Before the early 80s cleaning and restoration of Michelangelo's works in the Sistine Chapel, it was thought by all to be brilliant. Then they cleaned it and wow, massive difference- it is vastly better and now close to the way it was when created. I feel the same about many of the BBs remixes, etc. Best to reserve judgment on the new stuff until we have listened to it in a nice hi res format, rather than a sketchy stream or download. While grateful for FF and the tremendous effort that went in to it, I agree some of the mastering is horrible. The two original albums and songs like Awake are painfully shrill. I agree they need someone with young ears to do a final QC on these things! Can't wait for the new stuff to come out!
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Post by #JusticeForDonGoldberg on May 8, 2022 0:52:06 GMT -5
Most of the compilations now have the recreated 'Stereo' versions of the Pet Sounds classic Mono tunes. Who decided that this was the best approach? Just gonna leave this here: "inferior" is not the word I would use, and in fact Brian has asked that we use stereo mixes wherever possible on the most recent compilations. We also constantly get requests to create stereo mixes of mono only songs which we have done rather successfully I think over the years.” - Mark Linett, Smiley Smile Message Board
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