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Post by mfp on Jan 7, 2019 16:38:38 GMT -5
Don't Go Near The Water Student Demonstration Time (bass !) A Day In The Life Of A Tree 'Til I Die Cuddle Up Make It Good Thanks for that list. I'm surprised it's not longer. I wonder who played the piano on SDT? That boogie woogie tack piano style sounds a lot like Daryl's. Steve Desper recalls that Daryl played tack piano on SDT.
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Post by craigslowinski on Jan 7, 2019 17:35:05 GMT -5
Thanks for that list. I'm surprised it's not longer. I wonder who played the piano on SDT? That boogie woogie tack piano style sounds a lot like Daryl's. Steve Desper recalls that Daryl played tack piano on SDT. I'm sure that pretty much all the boogie-woogie style tack piano from the late '60s/early '70s is Daryl: "Got To Know The Woman", "H.E.L.P. Is On The Way", "Sound Of Free".
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Post by filledeplage on Jan 7, 2019 18:43:46 GMT -5
Steve Desper recalls that Daryl played tack piano on SDT. I'm sure that pretty much all the boogie-woogie style tack piano from the late '60s/early '70s is Daryl: "Got To Know The Woman", "H.E.L.P. Is On The Way", "Sound Of Free".
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Post by craigslowinski on Jan 7, 2019 23:22:37 GMT -5
I'm sure that pretty much all the boogie-woogie style tack piano from the late '60s/early '70s is Daryl: "Got To Know The Woman", "H.E.L.P. Is On The Way", "Sound Of Free". Cool video, but I don't think Daryl actually played on that track. The only AFM contracts from the So Tough sessions to bear his name are related to the orchestral sessions for "Make It Good" and "Cuddle Up".
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Post by Deleted on Jan 7, 2019 23:39:56 GMT -5
So hes not on the album track but on this live performance the context of which I know nothing about. Well that makes it so much more precious and it's a wonderful wonderful performance and great to see Dennis on the organ and singing in this unique period of beach boys history with the contributions of Blondie and Ricky.
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Post by craigslowinski on Jan 8, 2019 1:13:24 GMT -5
So hes not on the album track but on this live performance the context of which I know nothing about. Well that makes it so much more precious and it's a wonderful wonderful performance and great to see Dennis on the organ and singing in this unique period of beach boys history with the contributions of Blondie and Ricky. Well, no one's actually playing in this clip...at least, you can't hear them playing. They're miming to the original studio track, with Carl singing a live lead vocal over the pre-recorded one. A fairly common practice for TV appearances at the time. This one's from the Old Grey Whistle Test show.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 8, 2019 2:21:28 GMT -5
O Craig that is so disappointing but I have to bow to historical accuracy. So the captain is not playing on the original track and is not really playing here, which makes the entire thing extremely unsatisfying.
My favorite beach boy videos of all time were this one with the captain playing, and the reunion video with David marks blasting a great solo on do it again, and it turns out that they were both artificial so what should I do now.
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Post by Bill M on Jan 8, 2019 6:25:04 GMT -5
So the next logical question would be, who IS playing the piano on Mess O Help. That also sounds like Daryl's style to me. Inquiring minds need to know.
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Post by filledeplage on Jan 8, 2019 8:22:23 GMT -5
So the next logical question would be, who IS playing the piano on Mess O Help. That also sounds like Daryl's style to me. Inquiring minds need to know. That was my question - so I get if a guitar is unplugged and there is miming or singing to a track - but not with percussion or a piano - and at some point you can see Daryl reach behind the keys and shake the board (and presumably some stuck keys) loose - so it looks very much real time to me.
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Post by filledeplage on Jan 8, 2019 8:30:15 GMT -5
From the Whistle Test Archive channel on YouTube...
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Post by Bill M on Jan 8, 2019 9:21:07 GMT -5
From the Whistle Test Archive channel on YouTube... I’m guessing that only Carl’s vocal mic is open & everyone else is miming. Maybe Mike’s mic is open a bit too. Those cardioid mics wouldn’t pick up the piano too loudly, so I’m thinking the piano isn’t live. I don’t think the drums are live either. Ricky isn’t hitting them very hard, nor is he doing a great job matching the track with his actions. If he were, the drums would leak into Carl’s mic too much.
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Post by filledeplage on Jan 8, 2019 9:25:37 GMT -5
From the Whistle Test Archive channel on YouTube... I’m guessing that only Carl’s vocal mic is open & everyone else is miming. Maybe Mike’s mic is open a bit too. Those cardioid mics wouldn’t pick up the piano too loudly, so I’m thinking the piano isn’t live. I don’t think the drums are live either. Ricky isn’t hitting them very hard, nor is he doing a great job matching the track with his actions. If he were, the drums would leak into Carl’s mic too much. You definitely know more about how all that is set up than I do. So thanks for how that works. Daryl does not look as though he is holding back. I did think it was interesting to have him playing on that track.
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Post by craigslowinski on Jan 8, 2019 12:56:28 GMT -5
So the next logical question would be, who IS playing the piano on Mess O Help. That also sounds like Daryl's style to me. Inquiring minds need to know. Here are the names on the AFM contract for "Beatrice from Baltimore" (which, as we know, became "Mess Of Help" thanks to a Jack Rieley lyrical re-write), dated January 31, 1972: Tandyn Almer Doug Dillard Ricky Fataar Billy Hinsche Gordon Marron Brian Wilson Carl Wilson No instruments are listed (they normally aren't, but once in a while they are). Doug Dillard, as many will know, was the great banjo player (banjoist?), and Gordon Marron was or is a fiddle player, who is also sometimes credited on albums with "playing" the ring modulator (which, as noted by others, seems to have been used on this track). These two were payed for "2 dbls" (doubles), meaning they likely overdubbed extra parts. Without having heard the tracking session tape, I can only look at the other names on the contract and conclude that it was either Brian, Billy, or Tandyn playing the piano. I would think that if Tandyn did in fact play on the track, his most likely role would be that of bassist, as he studied bass in music school. Since tack piano and organ are both used on the track, I would think that Brian probably played one and Billy the other. But at this stage, it's all conjecture, of course. Note that Blondie is not listed on this contract (nor is he listed on the one for "Marcella", which bears the date February 17, 1972). It is known that after the demise of The Flame, Blondie returned to South Africa for several months, until he got the call (or telegram) from Jack to join the Beach Boys in Holland, where they were taping some TV appearances about a week after the "Marcella" session. It's possible, of course, that Blondie overdubbed parts on those two tracks later, but otherwise we have to conclude that he is not on those two tracks. Bruce Johnston's name is also absent from the list of players on the "Beatrice" contract, but upon the album's release, he wrote a great review in which he stated he was there, not playing, but simply watching Brian cut the track (Bruce's name IS, however, among those listed on the "Marcella" contract, even though he has stated that he "only sang" on that one).
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Post by Mikie on Jan 8, 2019 22:49:03 GMT -5
It's funny. Dennis' trademark look standing behind a mic on stage, he'd always have his head tilted with one finger in his ear. Even sitting down at the keys in this video he had a finger in one ear! What a great song this is. We use to sing it loudly in the car, but when it came to lyrics we didn't know, and there were many, we'd just fake it and sing any ol' words until the song got back to familiar territory.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 8, 2019 23:35:17 GMT -5
Well that means that on the video only Carl Wilson and Ricky were on the original track. Oh that's so weird and disconcerting and I sometimes wish that we could actually believe our eyes. So the next logical question would be, who IS playing the piano on Mess O Help. That also sounds like Daryl's style to me. Inquiring minds need to know. Here are the names on the AFM contract for "Beatrice from Baltimore" (which, as we know, became "Mess Of Help" thanks to a Jack Rieley lyrical re-write), dated January 31, 1972: Tandyn Almer Doug Dillard Ricky Fataar Billy Hinsche Gordon Marron Brian Wilson Carl Wilson No instruments are listed (they normally aren't, but once in a while they are). Doug Dillard, as many will know, was the great banjo player (banjoist?), and Gordon Marron was or is a fiddle player, who is also sometimes credited on albums with "playing" the ring modulator (which, as noted by others, seems to have been used on this track). These two were payed for "2 dbls" (doubles), meaning they likely overdubbed extra parts. Without having heard the tracking session tape, I can only look at the other names on the contract and conclude that it was either Brian, Billy, or Tandyn playing the piano. I would think that if Tandyn did in fact play on the track, his most likely role would be that of bassist, as he studied bass in music school. Since tack piano and organ are both used on the track, I would think that Brian probably played one and Billy the other. But at this stage, it's all conjecture, of course. Note that Blondie is not listed on this contract (nor is he listed on the one for "Marcella", which bears the date February 17, 1972). It is known that after the demise of The Flame, Blondie returned to South Africa for several months, until he got the call (or telegram) from Jack to join the Beach Boys in Holland, where they were taping some TV appearances about a week after the "Marcella" session. It's possible, of course, that Blondie overdubbed parts on those two tracks later, but otherwise we have to conclude that he is not on those two tracks. Bruce Johnston's name is also absent from the list of players on the "Beatrice" contract, but upon the album's release, he wrote a great review in which he stated he was there, not playing, but simply watching Brian cut the track (Bruce's name IS, however, among those listed on the "Marcella" contract, even though he has stated that he "only sang" on that one).
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Post by Deleted on Jan 8, 2019 23:35:35 GMT -5
Well that means that on the video only Carl Wilson and Ricky were on the original track. Oh that's so weird and disconcerting and I sometimes wish that we could actually believe our eyes. So the next logical question would be, who IS playing the piano on Mess O Help. That also sounds like Daryl's style to me. Inquiring minds need to know. Here are the names on the AFM contract for "Beatrice from Baltimore" (which, as we know, became "Mess Of Help" thanks to a Jack Rieley lyrical re-write), dated January 31, 1972: Tandyn Almer Doug Dillard Ricky Fataar Billy Hinsche Gordon Marron Brian Wilson Carl Wilson No instruments are listed (they normally aren't, but once in a while they are). Doug Dillard, as many will know, was the great banjo player (banjoist?), and Gordon Marron was or is a fiddle player, who is also sometimes credited on albums with "playing" the ring modulator (which, as noted by others, seems to have been used on this track). These two were payed for "2 dbls" (doubles), meaning they likely overdubbed extra parts. Without having heard the tracking session tape, I can only look at the other names on the contract and conclude that it was either Brian, Billy, or Tandyn playing the piano. I would think that if Tandyn did in fact play on the track, his most likely role would be that of bassist, as he studied bass in music school. Since tack piano and organ are both used on the track, I would think that Brian probably played one and Billy the other. But at this stage, it's all conjecture, of course. Note that Blondie is not listed on this contract (nor is he listed on the one for "Marcella", which bears the date February 17, 1972). It is known that after the demise of The Flame, Blondie returned to South Africa for several months, until he got the call (or telegram) from Jack to join the Beach Boys in Holland, where they were taping some TV appearances about a week after the "Marcella" session. It's possible, of course, that Blondie overdubbed parts on those two tracks later, but otherwise we have to conclude that he is not on those two tracks. Bruce Johnston's name is also absent from the list of players on the "Beatrice" contract, but upon the album's release, he wrote a great review in which he stated he was there, not playing, but simply watching Brian cut the track (Bruce's name IS, however, among those listed on the "Marcella" contract, even though he has stated that he "only sang" on that one).
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Post by jasonaustin on Jan 9, 2019 0:06:33 GMT -5
Gordon Marron was or is a fiddle player, who is also sometimes credited on albums with "playing" the ring modulator (which, as noted by others, seems to have been used on this track). Marron played lead electric violin for psychedelic juggernauts The United States of America, and co-wrote and sang their impeccible "Where Is Yesterday?". It's likely he was coached on the ring modulator by USA leader Joe Byrd, who was a master of proto-synth instruments. The ring modulator is all over the USA's album.
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Post by craigslowinski on Jan 9, 2019 0:07:46 GMT -5
Well that means that on the video only Carl Wilson and Ricky were on the original track. Oh that's so weird and disconcerting and I sometimes wish that we could actually believe our eyes. Here are the names on the AFM contract for "Beatrice from Baltimore" (which, as we know, became "Mess Of Help" thanks to a Jack Rieley lyrical re-write), dated January 31, 1972: Tandyn Almer Doug Dillard Ricky Fataar Billy Hinsche Gordon Marron Brian Wilson Carl Wilson No instruments are listed (they normally aren't, but once in a while they are). Doug Dillard, as many will know, was the great banjo player (banjoist?), and Gordon Marron was or is a fiddle player, who is also sometimes credited on albums with "playing" the ring modulator (which, as noted by others, seems to have been used on this track). These two were payed for "2 dbls" (doubles), meaning they likely overdubbed extra parts. Without having heard the tracking session tape, I can only look at the other names on the contract and conclude that it was either Brian, Billy, or Tandyn playing the piano. I would think that if Tandyn did in fact play on the track, his most likely role would be that of bassist, as he studied bass in music school. Since tack piano and organ are both used on the track, I would think that Brian probably played one and Billy the other. But at this stage, it's all conjecture, of course. Note that Blondie is not listed on this contract (nor is he listed on the one for "Marcella", which bears the date February 17, 1972). It is known that after the demise of The Flame, Blondie returned to South Africa for several months, until he got the call (or telegram) from Jack to join the Beach Boys in Holland, where they were taping some TV appearances about a week after the "Marcella" session. It's possible, of course, that Blondie overdubbed parts on those two tracks later, but otherwise we have to conclude that he is not on those two tracks. Bruce Johnston's name is also absent from the list of players on the "Beatrice" contract, but upon the album's release, he wrote a great review in which he stated he was there, not playing, but simply watching Brian cut the track (Bruce's name IS, however, among those listed on the "Marcella" contract, even though he has stated that he "only sang" on that one). Carl and Ricky would be the only ones from the video on the original instrumental track, yes. I'm sure Mike and Al sang on the record, too.
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Post by usawoman on Jan 9, 2019 18:10:00 GMT -5
Hi all, My condolences to Toni and the family.
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Post by catbirdman on Jan 9, 2019 21:41:27 GMT -5
Here are the names on the AFM contract for "Beatrice from Baltimore" (which, as we know, became "Mess Of Help" thanks to a Jack Rieley lyrical re-write), dated January 31, 1972: Tandyn Almer Doug Dillard Wow, I never knew Doug Dillard played on this. Very cool.
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