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Post by The Cincinnati Kid on Jan 1, 2019 14:55:14 GMT -5
This 1972 release was the first album to feature Blondie Chaplin and Ricky Fataar. It reached #50 in the US and did not have any songs in the hot 100. Attachments:
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Post by Beach Boys Fan on Jan 3, 2019 20:57:09 GMT -5
6. Dennis' songs here, like in Friends, tend to be the worst of the entire album. In CATP's case, they downgrade it.
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Post by E on Jan 4, 2019 4:29:13 GMT -5
Cuddle Up is one of the most beautiful DW songs going.
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Post by ian on Jan 4, 2019 7:16:58 GMT -5
Wow-your negative opinion of Dennis’s tunes shocks me! I love those ones on both albums
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Post by AGD on Jan 4, 2019 8:31:51 GMT -5
6. Dennis' songs here, like in Friends, tend to be the worst of the entire album. In CATP's case, they downgrade it. That's just your opinion, and a minority one at that.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 4, 2019 8:51:41 GMT -5
7/10
The interim step between Surf’s Up and Holland feels sort of half baked to me. I think there are some great songs on it (Here She Comes, Marcella, All This is That, Make it Good, which I prefer it over Cuddle Up, but Cuddle Up is also nice.) It’s a nice listen all the way through, nothing I want to skip. Like I said with Holland, I think the addition of Blondie and Ricky was a good idea and here it’s a step in the right direction, but they don’t find themselves as a unified group until Holland. And of course, CATP is way too short. Knowing what they had lying around, left off Surf’s Up, it’s unfortunate that they held back.
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Post by ian on Jan 4, 2019 18:56:05 GMT -5
I agree with you there-it is a little slight and rushed. Seems like they decided to squeeze an album out before moving to holland but still a fascinating album
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Post by Beach Boys Fan on Jan 4, 2019 19:07:21 GMT -5
Wow-your negative opinion of Dennis’s tunes shocks me! I love those ones on both albums To clarify, I cited these specific albums in which I dislike Dennis' songs. I like his songs in Sunflower, 20/20, Holland.
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Post by kds on Jan 4, 2019 22:47:59 GMT -5
7/10 The interim step between Surf’s Up and Holland feels sort of half baked to me. I think there are some great songs on it (Here She Comes, Marcella, All This is That, Make it Good, which I prefer it over Cuddle Up, but Cuddle Up is also nice.) It’s a nice listen all the way through, nothing I want to skip. Like I said with Holland, I think the addition of Blondie and Ricky was a good idea and here it’s a step in the right direction, but they don’t find themselves as a unified group until Holland. And of course, CATP is way too short. Knowing what they had lying around, left off Surf’s Up, it’s unfortunate that they held back. That pretty much sums up my feelings on CATP. Although Hold On Dear Brother is one I've grown to love. 7
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Post by Deleted on Jan 7, 2019 1:38:25 GMT -5
The last of their "revered albums" I've gotten around to checking out--but here I am, finally!
I agree with the consensus that Blondy and Ricky added a much-needed vitality to the band. No longer does it feel like disparate factions vying for attention as was the case in their Friends thru Surf's Up era. However, this new group dynamic has yet to really work out all the kinks yet either. You can see the flashes of greatness that will culminate in Holland the next year, but it's held back by some mediocre tracks. It's a small step in the right direction after the dreary and patched together Surf's Up, which in my opinion felt like the band trying to be cool as opposed to finding their own voice. They haven't quite found it here on CATP either, but they're getting closer.
I like the grunge "down and dirty" sound of You Need a Mess of Help. This aesthetic served them well on their best 70s material, from Holland to Pacific Ocean Blue (I know it's a Dennis solo, but regardless) and even Love You retains it albeit with synthesizers. This feels like the group properly evolving with the times as opposed to 15BO and their post-LY material constantly pretending it was still '62.
Here She Comes has a suaveness to it, kinda reminiscent of Billy Joel or Van Morrison's Moondance to my ears. I wish the lyrics were a bit "punchier" but overall I like it.
He Comes Down is way too heavy handed on the religious stuff for my tastes. I'm sorry but I'm not a big fan of gospel music, nor having it be so blatant and in my face. I just don't like the aesthetics of christian rock or gospel music.
Marcella is pretty good, but I'm not a fan of the chorus ("hey yeah Marcella!") That could have used a rewrite.
Hold On Dear Brother sounds kind of half-baked. It's too slow and vaguely country-sounding for my tastes. It also goes on at least 2 minutes longer than it has a right to, considering how one-note it is. If I was flipping through the radio and heard this I would skip past it, and on future listens I imagine myself skipping it too.
Make It Good is a breath of fresh air after the last terrible song. It reminds me of the last track on Keepin' the Summer Alive. It's only as long as it needs to be and doesn't overstay its welcome like the last three tracks did.
All This is That recaptures the magic of the first two tracks before the album began going off the rails a bit. I love the backing track.
Cuddle Up is a nice ballad. It feels like the album began with a hard edge but the narrator slowly peeled back the layers of their shell with each song and here they're allowing himself to be truly vulnerable. It's far from the best tender romantic slow song the group ever did, but it's nice.
Overall, I give it a 6. The album starts off great with its first two tracks and then loses its way. I applaud them for trying some new styles but the lyrics and chord progressions leave much to be desired. The last two tracks start to work back up to the quality of the beginning before the album ends abruptly. I hate the cover and the name. The former looks like a cheap and tacky postcard you'd see at an airport or sea resort giftshop. As I recall from the Catch a Wave biography, CATP was a name they'd used in school or their earliest stage as a band. So...okay...but why break it out here? Why use it as an album title? It feels so random.
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Post by dumbchops on Jan 7, 2019 13:40:39 GMT -5
A 10 out of 10 from me. This is quite often my favorite Beach Boys album. Every song is great and it is the easiest one to play for people who are not huge fans.
"You Need A Mess Of Help" - This track rocks with fiddle, banjo and pedal steel playing as rock instruments. The widely seen video is great too!
"Here She Comes" - The drums are amazing. They really sell this song to me.
"He Comes Down" - It's a full blown gospel song but is inspired by Hinduism more than Christianity. I understand that Brian was involved with this one.
"Marcella" - The closest song to a single on here. Although it's much better live, it still has a lot going on in it.
"Hold On Dear Brother" - I love waltzes. I loved this song the first time I heard it.
"Make It Good" - This one has a rather large orchestra on it. It really takes you somewhere else.
"All This Is That" - This was the one song I used to skip when I first got it but not anymore. The ending is sublime.
"Cuddle Up" - I love this lullaby so much that it was my wedding dance 8 years ago.
This one is actually a rock album. For me, it never got this good again. My only complaints are that I hate the title and the cover. But seriously, just slip this one on without telling anybody who it is because they probably wouldn't guess it correctly any way.
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Post by Jason (The Real Beach Boy) on Mar 28, 2019 11:39:29 GMT -5
7.5. The "four singles" album. Uneven as all hell, but Brian's songs shine and Dennis' aren't far behind.
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Post by jiggy22 on Apr 29, 2019 15:00:13 GMT -5
8. Make it Good 7. Hold On, Dear Brother 6. Here She Comes 5. Cuddle Up 4. He Come Down 3. Marcella 2. All This is That 1. You Need a Mess of Help to Stand Alone
7/10 from me. Packaging it with Pet Sounds was a pretty big mistake.
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Post by Beach Boys Fan on Apr 29, 2019 15:24:33 GMT -5
2. All This is That 1. You Need a Mess of Help to Stand Alone Ditto. "Mess Of Help" rules!
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Post by Deleted on Apr 30, 2019 11:16:14 GMT -5
When I first hear Sigur Ros, I thought to myself, 'hm, copping the strings from Cuddle Up.'
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Post by bonniebella on Apr 30, 2019 15:07:22 GMT -5
I reckon this album has a very groovy element to it. Happy to love it. I gave it a 7.
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Post by atree on Jun 16, 2019 15:48:46 GMT -5
5/10. The vocals are buried on a couple of tracks, while the Dennis songs are overblown IMO. Marcella and All This Is That are divine but deserve a better home.
The album artwork reminds me of a London cab painted red.
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Post by John Manning on Jun 30, 2019 6:14:45 GMT -5
Remember buying this in a record shop on the Isle of Man (was it in Port St Mary?) during a family holiday when I was fourteen or fifteen years old; bought Holland on the same shopping trip (the Fairy Tale EP was missing… took me years to track down a copy with Brian's artwork picture sleeve). So that would have been in around 1978/79.
You Need A Mess Of Help Love this, right from that cacophonic keyboard intro. Lots of energy. Good sister track to Funky Pretty on Holland – while they're not down as lyricists composers, I wonder whether rockin' vibe of these tracks was strongly influenced by Ricky & Blondie's presence; these tracks are pretty representative of what I'd've hoped for if the Blondie/Ricky influence had endured longer than it did. Or maybe the five core members could have pulled this vibe off themselves, with Reiley's encouragement.
Here She Comes This is a slow burner… wasn't fond when I first heard it but these days I love it. the standout element for me is Ricky's drumming, possibly the best drumming on any BBs' track.
He Come Down Has its strengths, bit of fun but not a BBs classic in my eyes.
Marcella The first song on the album I heard (possibly on that Mona/Rock And Roll Music/Sail On Sailor/Marcella EP) and initially, when I came to hear the rest of the album, I thought of it as its best rocker, but YNaMoH has outstripped that since in my opinion.
Hold On Dear Brother Always in two minds about this. Dirge-like but has a certain something.
Make It Good Intense track from Dennis, a keeper.
All This Is That Great track – was it AGD first described this as the best BBs' track that doesn't feature Brian? – but there have been times when I've played this on repeat for hours at a time, just to chill and empty my mind. And isn't that what TM's all about?
Cuddle Up Intense track from Dennis, a keeper.
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Post by E on Jun 30, 2019 9:58:17 GMT -5
Marcella The first song on the album I heard (possibly on that Mona/Rock And Roll Music/Sail On Sailor/Marcella EP)
I remember having that too!
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Post by Deleted on Jul 7, 2019 11:26:59 GMT -5
I find it interesting that CATP has a few similarities with two particular earlier BBs albums. First of all, the fast side/slow side format is reminiscent of Today, although that album is in a whole different league.
Then it could be said that CATP is an early 70s version of Wild Honey. A collection of straight ahead, sometimes R&B based rockers. The production is stripped down some from the previous album. Gone is the big, dense production of numbers like Surfs Up, Feel Flows, etc. And the album is noticeably short, much like WH.
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Post by AGD on Jul 8, 2019 7:42:04 GMT -5
I find it interesting that CATP has a few similarities with two particular earlier BBs albums. First of all, the fast side/slow side format is reminiscent of Today, although that album is in a whole different league. Then it could be said that CATP is an early 70s version of Wild Honey. A collection of straight ahead, sometimes R&B based rockers. The production is stripped down some from the previous album. Gone is the big, dense production of numbers like Surfs Up, Feel Flows, etc. And the album is noticeably short, much like WH. I honestly couldn't disagree more with this if I tried. You must be listening to a different album to the one I know.
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Post by filledeplage on Jul 8, 2019 8:00:16 GMT -5
CATP - which I always think of as almost indivisible from Holland, seemed to mark a creative, new frontier for them.
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Post by jay on Jul 8, 2019 12:23:22 GMT -5
CATP - which I always think of as almost indivisible from Holland, seemed to mark a creative, new frontier for them. This might be a somewhat "unpopular" opinion, but I think that a big part of it was Blondie and Ricky. I think that they really pushed the group creatively. It's really a shame that they didn't last long in the group. Can you imagine if a follow up album to "Holland" would have kicked off with "Hard Times"? When you think about some of the other material they had, like "It's A New Day", "We Got Love" "River Song"(sung by Blondie), "Carry Me Home" , they could have really done a kick ass album that might have been a huge hit with the right promotion. "Hard Times" has "radio friendly" written all over it.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 8, 2019 19:13:56 GMT -5
I find it interesting that CATP has a few similarities with two particular earlier BBs albums. First of all, the fast side/slow side format is reminiscent of Today, although that album is in a whole different league. Then it could be said that CATP is an early 70s version of Wild Honey. A collection of straight ahead, sometimes R&B based rockers. The production is stripped down some from the previous album. Gone is the big, dense production of numbers like Surfs Up, Feel Flows, etc. And the album is noticeably short, much like WH. I honestly couldn't disagree more with this if I tried. Ummmm, which part?
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Post by AGD on Jul 9, 2019 5:25:54 GMT -5
Pretty much everything:
- there's no real fast/slow divide to the sides...
- it's hardly "A collection of straight ahead, sometimes R&B based rockers": have you heard the second side ? Rockers they ain't...
- the production is not "stripped down some from the previous album"...
- "Gone is the big, dense production of numbers like Surfs Up, Feel Flows, etc.": that's why I asked of you're listening to the same album as I am. The two heavily orchestrated Dennis numbers for starters, and "All This Is That" is pretty lush too.
- "And the album is noticeably short, much like WH.": it's ten minutes, or close to 50%, longer. 34.12 as opposed to 23.58.
So, yeah, pretty much everything.
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