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Post by Deleted on Jan 6, 2019 18:43:48 GMT -5
Should add that sculptures, whatever they symbolize - freedom etc. - don't interest me at all. We get it. You don't like stuff. That's all fine and dandy, but you don't need to keep telling us that you don't like stuff. Reminds me of a hugely annoying little kid who used to come into a c-store I managed and walked along the sweet racks saying "don't like that, don't like that, dont like that, HATE that" week after week after week. I don't think it's warranted to compare Beach Boys Fan to a little kid just because they spoke their opinion and this one particular album and its cover. They spoke their piece just as calmly and rationally as anyone else here. I appreciate hearing what they have to say, particularly when they're willing to go against the grain and air an unpopular opinion.
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Post by drbeachboy (Dirk) on Jan 6, 2019 19:25:00 GMT -5
I’m going to get into the middle of this. First, the Brother logo and the Surf’s Up album cover come from sculptures. So, in one context it is important to understand how they came to be. If they didn’t exist, they would not be part of the history of the band. Whether one likes sculptures or not is really not germane to the conversation. What is important is that Brian and others in the organization were aware of the sculptures and used both as a company logo and as an album cover to a very important album (at the time) that helped revive their career.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 7, 2019 3:28:30 GMT -5
We get it. You don't like stuff. That's all fine and dandy, but you don't need to keep telling us that you don't like stuff. Reminds me of a hugely annoying little kid who used to come into a c-store I managed and walked along the sweet racks saying "don't like that, don't like that, dont like that, HATE that" week after week after week. I don't think it's warranted to compare Beach Boys Fan to a little kid just because they spoke their opinion and this one particular album and its cover. They spoke their piece just as calmly and rationally as anyone else here. I appreciate hearing what they have to say, particularly when they're willing to go against the grain and air an unpopular opinion. I hate to contradict you, SM, but I feel quite strongly about this. I've kept quiet until now about BBF but he and his attitude are beginning to get me down. Maybe it's fitting that we clash on this matter in a Surf's Up topic.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 7, 2019 3:49:11 GMT -5
I don't think it's warranted to compare Beach Boys Fan to a little kid just because they spoke their opinion and this one particular album and its cover. They spoke their piece just as calmly and rationally as anyone else here. I appreciate hearing what they have to say, particularly when they're willing to go against the grain and air an unpopular opinion. I hate to contradict you, SM, but I feel quite strongly about this. I've kept quiet until now about BBF but he and his attitude are beginning to get me down. Maybe it's fitting that we clash on this matter in a Surf's Up topic. Well, I have to disagree with you, my friend. Based on everything I've seen I don't think BBF has said anything unkind or fishing for a fight. In several threads where we've interacted I found their input to be interesting and well-intentioned. If I'm mistaken here I apologize but from my perspective it just seems like anyone who criticizes this album meets with a good deal of backlash. I recall it happened to me on PSF and now it seems to be happening to BBF. I think a lot of the older generation of fans on the forums have a special affinity for SU and EH since those were the cool BB albums of their day, likely as not what made them fans. I don't think the newer generation of fans have that same special connection with SU and thus have more middling opinions of it. I'm not just talking about me or BBF either--on the Discord where the fandom skews younger it seemed like most people where kinda lukewarm or at best mildly enthusiastic of this album. Anyway, I don't want to argue--least of all with you John--so now that I've spoken my piece on the matter I'll just leave this particular thread alone. I hope I haven't hurt your feelings.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 7, 2019 4:35:59 GMT -5
I hate to contradict you, SM, but I feel quite strongly about this. I've kept quiet until now about BBF but he and his attitude are beginning to get me down. Maybe it's fitting that we clash on this matter in a Surf's Up topic. Well, I have to disagree with you, my friend. Based on everything I've seen I don't think BBF has said anything unkind or fishing for a fight. In several threads where we've interacted I found their input to be interesting and well-intentioned. If I'm mistaken here I apologize but from my perspective it just seems like anyone who criticizes this album meets with a good deal of backlash. I recall it happened to me on PSF and now it seems to be happening to BBF. I think a lot of the older generation of fans on the forums have a special affinity for SU and EH since those were the cool BB albums of their day, likely as not what made them fans. I don't think the newer generation of fans have that same special connection with SU and thus have more middling opinions of it. I'm not just talking about me or BBF either--on the Discord where the fandom skews younger it seemed like most people were kinda lukewarm or at best mildly enthusiastic of this album. Anyway, I don't want to argue--least of all with you John--so now that I've spoken my piece on the matter I'll just leave this particular thread alone. I hope I haven't hurt your feelings. Your reply is much fairer than I deserve. Perhaps it's just a clash of personalities. It's not SU--I could have spoken out like that in any topic. No, you haven't hurt my feelings--I just hope I haven't hurt yours. You know what? I'll leave this thread alone now too.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 7, 2019 4:46:39 GMT -5
jk Just stepping back in quickly to say of course you haven't, and you deserve the fairest reply I could possibly write because you're a great poster and a great guy
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Post by Beach Boys Fan on Jan 7, 2019 22:01:52 GMT -5
I’m going to get into the middle of this. First, the Brother logo and the Surf’s Up album cover come from sculptures. So, in one context it is important to understand how they came to be. If they didn’t exist, they would not be part of the history of the band. Whether one likes sculptures or not is really not germane to the conversation. What is important is that Brian and others in the organization were aware of the sculptures and used both as a company logo and as an album cover to a very important album (at the time) that helped revive their career. Yes, it's important. Still doesn't help to like the SU cover with Brother logo, image-wise. For instance, people gush over Gioconda, the da Vinci painting, they say it is iconic, tourists/ art fans fly to Paris to get to Louvre to study the Mona Lisa smile. To me, it's just some nice-looking lady with solemn/ serene facial expression. That's about it. I'm cool with people liking things I don't. Thus, let's respectfully agree to disagree.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 12, 2019 21:36:28 GMT -5
Really fantastic album, gave it an 8. Just wanted to get this out there, Student Demonstration Time is an absolute jam and the lyrics may come across and in-genuine and it may just be a re-write of another song, but I dig it. The sirens are really great, I love the thumping bass, it can be a little atmospheric sometimes. More importantly though it's a nice dark rocker. It's not in my top favorite Surfs Up tracks but the song gets alot of flack , so i just wanted to throw my hat in that ring!
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Post by Bill M on Jan 13, 2019 10:22:29 GMT -5
Really fantastic album, gave it an 8. Just wanted to get this out there, Student Demonstration Time is an absolute jam and the lyrics may come across and in-genuine and it may just be a re-write of another song, but I dig it. The sirens are really great, I love the thumping bass, it can be a little atmospheric sometimes. More importantly though it's a nice dark rocker. It's not in my top favorite Surfs Up tracks but the song gets alot of flack , so i just wanted to throw my hat in that ring! I completely agree. We who like SDT are in a minority on this board. I think it rocks. When the album came out I was only 11 years old & I overheard one of the older kids in the neighborhood say, "the Beach Boys have this new song out & it's really cool. It's got sirens!". When I first heard it, I thought it was awesome. For me, it doesn't take away from the album, it adds to it.
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Post by filledeplage on Jan 13, 2019 11:14:30 GMT -5
Really fantastic album, gave it an 8. Just wanted to get this out there, Student Demonstration Time is an absolute jam and the lyrics may come across and in-genuine and it may just be a re-write of another song, but I dig it. The sirens are really great, I love the thumping bass, it can be a little atmospheric sometimes. More importantly though it's a nice dark rocker. It's not in my top favorite Surfs Up tracks but the song gets alot of flack , so i just wanted to throw my hat in that ring! I completely agree. We who like SDT are in a minority on this board. I think it rocks. When the album came out I was only 11 years old & I overheard one of the older kids in the neighborhood say, "the Beach Boys have this new song out & it's really cool. It's got sirens!". When I first heard it, I thought it was awesome. For me, it doesn't take away from the album, it adds to it. SDT came out when I was in college. It resonated and it got airplay. From (wiki) Mr. Desper..."If you lived through the 60's, the civil riots, the unrest, the anti-war demonstrations, the crowds of unruly students in the streets, with hundreds of young soldiers dying every day --every day, and in-depth TV coverage of people being shot at close range coming into our living rooms every night, you might have more understanding of "the why and wherefore" of the song. Michael was seeing all of this going on in Santa Barbara, California, where he lived. It was in all of our lives. It was a sick time. The country was sick. And much of it was needless. Michael was moved to write a song about war protest. His approach was to offer vocal advice to the listener as to what to do what you may be caught up in one of these civil unrests --so as not to get killed. Remember, Kent State was still in the news when the lyrics were written." Can't be summed up any better than that. Thanks, Mr. Desper.
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Post by drbeachboy (Dirk) on Jan 13, 2019 11:24:58 GMT -5
Yeah, SDT, along with LPR and FF were the songs that my friends liked and that received FM airplay in Philly. I was starting my freshman year of high school in Sept. ‘71.
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Post by The Cap'n on Jan 13, 2019 17:02:04 GMT -5
It's really good, and I actually argue better than Sunflower. Personally I love that it's got its touches of progressive music set right alongside its pure and silly pop and rock. "Feel Flows" and "Long Promised Road," sure, they're good. But "Feet" and "Don't Go Near the Water" are in their own ways great, too. It's a big band with a lot of voices. This one brings out many of those voices in different ways.
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Post by drbeachboy (Dirk) on Jan 13, 2019 22:28:03 GMT -5
Oh my! Corrected. .
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Post by Will/P.P. on Jan 13, 2019 22:50:30 GMT -5
The Beach Boys are a very polarizing group. I have no problem discussing them with people who have different likes and dislikes. I do have a problem discussing politics or religion so I will stay far away from those topics. Actually, the fans create the polarization. The Beach Boys never gave me anything, but enjoyment. I don’t hate anyone in the band. For me, it is all about the music and those voices. It's all just one big r-r-ray of sunshine.
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Post by Wicked Lester on Jan 14, 2019 0:50:42 GMT -5
I'd say Surf's Up is easily their best album. Yeah it's frustrating knowing they had far better material than Take a Load off Your Feet kicking around, but any album that contains Brian's two best ever songs, Bruce's crowning achievement as a songwriter and a couple of Carl's best ever efforts can't get anything less than a 10 from me.
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Post by filledeplage on Jan 29, 2019 7:59:09 GMT -5
I'd say Surf's Up is easily their best album. Yeah it's frustrating knowing they had far better material than Take a Load off Your Feet kicking around, but any album that contains Brian's two best ever songs, Bruce's crowning achievement as a songwriter and a couple of Carl's best ever efforts can't get anything less than a 10 from me. Probably in my top 3. Too bad it was not a Double LP with all those extra tracks - but maybe too risky with the reception of the prior couple. It turned out well, I think with some real gems.
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Post by aquarius on Mar 19, 2019 12:07:58 GMT -5
Misses Dennis songs but still great. 9/10
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Post by Jason (The Real Beach Boy) on Mar 28, 2019 11:20:57 GMT -5
7.5. A considerable step down from Sunflower. The lack of Dennis material hurts even more so given the quality of his stuff to come out since. Still, the closing triumvirate would humble the greatest of bands out there, and is just one more reason why the Beach Boys are the greatest band ever.
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Post by dauber on Sept 17, 2019 10:19:11 GMT -5
I've been thinking about it, and man...I've never said this out loud other than to my wife and a coworker (and I was surprised he agreed with me, as he used to have the album cover as his wallpaper on his work PC)...but...Surf's Up = overrated album. It's got a couple of gems, but...kind of meh, really.
"Don't Go Near The Water" - I hate the backing track so much. If I wanted to listen to Bread, I'd ask someone to shoot me first.
"Long Promised Road" - I'm going to get crucified for this, but I don't care: I never liked this song...it bores me. It sounds like everybody involved in it is bored. The farting elephant solo does nothing to me. And I especially shake my head in ennui that it has since become the Carl Wilson Cancer Anthem. Truth be told...I don't like most of Carl's compositions.
"Take a Load Off Your Feet" - Love it! If you hate the song, give it a fresh listen -- and do not take it seriously. Such a fun listen with a catchy melody.
"Disney Girls (1957)" - Sometimes I love this song, sometimes I can't be seen with it. (What was it with all those wah-wah effects that people were into back then??) It's a pleasant melody and a fun story about how wonderful and simple things were back in (apparently) 1957 if you were white. It does have that Bruce Johnston "This song is just the same melody line over and over again" thing going on, but unlike with "Tears in the Morning," it actually works here.
"Student Demonstration Time" - I have a love-hate relationship with this song. (Others have a hate Love relationship with it.) Sometimes I love it, sometimes I hate it. Sometimes I love the phrase "bachelor of bullets," sometimes it makes me cringe and I think it's the most idiotic lyric this side of "'Mele Kalikimaka' is 'Merry Christmas' in Hawaii talk-a." I love that it's got an important message, but I hate that it borrows from "Riot in Cell Block #9." (Really only in the chorus, though.) I will never NOT love the bullhorn effect. (Or is that a real bullhorn?)
"Feel Flows" -- pure aural bliss from start to finish! (And I know this is probably sacrilege, but I think that the 1990 Caribou release has the best-sounding instance of this song.
"Lookin' At Tomorrow (A Welfare Song)" -- I used to love this song until I found out it's just The Kingston Trio's "The Wanderer" with different lyrics. D'OH!!!
"A Day in the Life of a Tree" -- NOPE. Just...no. Terrible vocal. It sounds like Jack Rieley is trying to sound like what Brian would sound like five years later. I hate that overpowering circus organ. And just too damn depressing.
"'Til I Die" -- This is the song that, when I first heard it on Good Vibrations in 1993, made me drive out to the record store to get the '70s albums on CD that I had seen in the past but passed up in favor of the Capitol twofers, only to find that they'd been out of print and disappeared. If there's only one song on the planet that tells you everything you need to know about Brian -- his music, his struggles, his thoughts, his talent -- this is it. Too bad you have to sit through "A Day in the Life of a Tree" to get to it.
"Surf's Up" -- What can I say? A classic. It really needs Brian on lead all the way through though. The ending is just stunning.
And the lost opportunities...this album could have had "Live Again" and "Fourth of July." Sigh...
My rating: 5/10
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Post by Deleted on Sept 17, 2019 16:49:38 GMT -5
"Don't Go Near The Water" - I hate the backing track so much. If I wanted to listen to Bread, I'd ask someone to shoot me first.
Finally, someone who shares my bitter hatred for this song! Although I think you're being a bit mean towards Bread.....
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Post by filledeplage on Sept 18, 2019 7:50:39 GMT -5
"Don't Go Near The Water" - I hate the backing track so much. If I wanted to listen to Bread, I'd ask someone to shoot me first.
Finally, someone who shares my bitter hatred for this song! Although I think you're being a bit mean towards Bread..... You hate this? One of my favorites on MIC...
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Post by Deleted on Sept 18, 2019 20:43:26 GMT -5
Finally, someone who shares my bitter hatred for this song! Although I think you're being a bit mean towards Bread..... You hate this? One of my favorites on MIC... Yes I do. I don't like the chords or the use of the wah. Don't get me wrong, I don't have a problem with 70s wah in general, but this sounds to me like the musical background to an annoying 70s TV commercial.
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Post by kds on Sept 19, 2019 6:22:21 GMT -5
Im not a huge fan of the backing track either. I think its an average song that gets a big left from the vocal coda.
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Post by filledeplage on Sept 19, 2019 8:13:28 GMT -5
Im not a huge fan of the backing track either. I think its an average song that gets a big left from the vocal coda. In real time I liked it because it was timely with the creation of the EPA (which was better then) and a heightened awareness of environmental issues. I was surprised to hear it on MIC - and really do love it.
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