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Post by gerry on Sept 11, 2022 10:44:18 GMT -5
When I watch these documentaries on various rock stars, which I no longer do, Brian and the Beach Boys are never named as influences. It's always Beatles, Beatles, Beatles. It's as if the Beach Boys are still not cool enough to name as an influence. Tiring.
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Post by gerry on Sept 11, 2022 10:49:07 GMT -5
I was listening to an original vinyl copy of Eric Carmen’s debut solo album for the first time in a long time yesterday and not only is it a great record but wow it’s got The Beach Boys sounds all over the place. Not a revelation exactly as I’m a Carmen and Raspberries fan and already knew he was influenced but this song sounds like Brian wrote and produced it. Probably in large part by the obvious borrow from GV at the 1:45 mark. Likely this topic has been covered in some capacity before but I’m thinking more about people that had success in no small part due to Brian Wilson. The chain, the evolution, like...no Chuck Berry maybe no Beach Boys kind of stuff. Anybody else have suggestions or examples? I watched a relatively recent interview with Carmen and he named everybody but the Beach Boys as influences on him. Never mentioned Brian and the Boys.I guess they're still not cool enough or maybe all the botox has gone to his brain.
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Post by Mikie on Sept 11, 2022 11:28:17 GMT -5
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Post by filledeplage on Sept 11, 2022 12:06:33 GMT -5
Echo in the Canyon was pretty good.
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Post by Mikie on Sept 11, 2022 12:21:44 GMT -5
Of course Carmen's "She Did It" - regarded as the best Beach Boys song Brian Wilson never wrote. Inspired by the did-its on "Do It Again" with Bruce on backgrounds:
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Post by jds on Sept 11, 2022 16:40:22 GMT -5
I don't think Brian or the Beach Boys directly inspired any artists near their caliber, with Gary Usher and Curt Boettcher being the big exceptions as artists who best understood the totality of the group's qualities. I find self-conscious Brian Wilson pastiches to be one of the most cringeworthy things a group can do.
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Post by jds on Sept 11, 2022 16:44:26 GMT -5
The Beach Boys did inspire a lot of great one-off singles. "The Rain, the Park, and Other Things" for instance.
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Post by ian on Sept 11, 2022 19:00:25 GMT -5
I don’t what you mean when you say that artists don’t mention the BBs as influences in documentaries…I can think of many references. Off the top of my head…Elvis Costello, The Bee Gees and Elton John have all mentioned Brian and the BBs in documentaries, as well as lesser names like Christopher Cross and the Eagles.
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Post by Mikie on Sept 11, 2022 20:31:33 GMT -5
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Post by AGD on Sept 12, 2022 1:22:10 GMT -5
Of course Carmen's "She Did It" - regarded as the best Beach Boys song Brian Wilson never wrote. Inspired by the did-its on "Do It Again" with Bruce on backgrounds: ... and depending on who you choose to believe, Brian too. Carl was originally asked to help out but he had a family event and suggested Brian, who said yes and came down. Eric & Bruce say his contribution was "below par" and not used: Curt Becher, who also sang on the session, says Brian's there but mixed way down. Go figure. Also... "now I'm alive and I know it" sounds awfully familiar to these ears: try singing "my love is burning brightly" over it.
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Post by Rick Bartlett on Sept 12, 2022 4:50:52 GMT -5
Of course Carmen's "She Did It" - regarded as the best Beach Boys song Brian Wilson never wrote. Inspired by the did-its on "Do It Again" with Bruce on backgrounds: ... and depending on who you choose to believe, Brian too. Carl was originally asked to help out but he had a family event and suggested Brian, who said yes and came down. Eric & Bruce say his contribution was "below par" and not used: Curt Becher, who also sang on the session, says Brian's there but mixed way down. Go figure. Also... "now I'm alive and I know it" sounds awfully familiar to these ears: try singing "my love is burning brightly" over it. If I wasn't told otherwise, I swear I can nearly hear more of The Beach Boys on backing at one stage or another. Particularly somebody who sounds very much like Mike on the bass parts, and even an Al or a Carl..?...
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Post by Mikie on Sept 12, 2022 9:04:15 GMT -5
Yeah, I heard that too. Somebody sounds a lot like Mike!
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Post by bbfinfl on Sept 12, 2022 12:21:18 GMT -5
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Post by joeblow on Sept 12, 2022 13:36:35 GMT -5
Canadian band Chilliwack certainly had some Beach Boys influence, especially on the songs California Girl and Fly At Night.
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Post by Mikie on Sept 12, 2022 13:47:02 GMT -5
I just posted that link. Have you been reading the thread?
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Post by lonelysummer on Sept 12, 2022 14:46:31 GMT -5
I hear Beach Boys and Beatles influence all over Raspberries "Go All the Way" - although Carmen says he was aping Left Banke and The Who. I think any band that is into vocal harmony is going to cross into Beach Boys territory at some point. My brother is a huge Yes fan, and there are a few Beach Boy moments in their music. Unfortunately, I can't tell you what songs.
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Post by bbfinfl on Sept 12, 2022 19:26:45 GMT -5
Mikie, Of course I have been reading the thread, I just missed your post in this great but super cluttered thread. IMHO My Girl is more Brian sounding than She Did It. Both great songs and productions. And his debut solo disk is by far his best work in my opinion.
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Post by jk on Sept 25, 2022 5:38:17 GMT -5
Poking around at Smiley as is my wont I happened across this great digital album by The Majik Rain Orchestra (aka Guillaume from Paris) of blissed-out "feels" and soundscapes geographically located somewhere between Brian country ( Pet Sounds reimagined) and High Llama land: themajikrainorchestra.bandcamp.com/releasesMy favourite, or at least the one that's stuck in my head, is the stamping "Reverberation". The idea is that everything but tracks 6, 7 and 12 will have vocals added in the fullness of time. In fact, one is ready now:
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Post by jasonaustin on Sept 27, 2022 17:37:28 GMT -5
As mentioned above, Mark Hoppus of blink-182 (and Tom DeLonge's other band, Angels & Airwaves) have both cited The Beach Boys as major creative influences, both on blink's self-titled 2003 album (particularly on track Feeling This) and Angels & Airwaves latest record. Very cool. Late response here, but I just came across this thread. I remember Hoppus had his own TV show for a while, and he was interviewing Noel Gallagher. Hoppus mentioned something about how much he adored Pet Sounds, and Gallagher just started blasting the album and laying into the Beach Boys in general. Thankfully I was never much of a fan of Oasis anyway (always found them too derivative), but that interview really solidified it for me.
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Post by jasonaustin on Sept 27, 2022 17:41:41 GMT -5
Hey, I've got a copy of this album, and this cat is super talented! I'm generally adverse to stuff that is overly-indebted to Smile (which is how this record was initially pitched to me), but he's onto something here. Shades of ELO and Queen as well.
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Post by jasonaustin on Sept 27, 2022 17:49:44 GMT -5
I don't think Brian or the Beach Boys directly inspired any artists near their caliber, with Gary Usher and Curt Boettcher being the big exceptions as artists who best understood the totality of the group's qualities. I find self-conscious Brian Wilson pastiches to be one of the most cringeworthy things a group can do.I'm with you on the bolded part, and I think that's why I enjoy Mark Eric as much as I do, and mention his name whenever one of these threads come up. Clearly indebted to Brian and his music, but not in the sense that he just created generalized pastiches of the Beach Boys sound. Rather, he seemed like the sort of guy that loved albums like Today and Summer Days so much that he ignored the psychedelic revolution in favor of pursuing a sound in which those albums were cultural touchstones instead of things like Sgt. Pepper or Are You Experienced?Mark's 1969 album, A Midsummer's Day Dream, is really worth checking out.
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Post by jk on Sept 29, 2022 4:20:44 GMT -5
I don't think Brian or the Beach Boys directly inspired any artists near their caliber, with Gary Usher and Curt Boettcher being the big exceptions as artists who best understood the totality of the group's qualities. I find self-conscious Brian Wilson pastiches to be one of the most cringeworthy things a group can do.I'm with you on the bolded part, and I think that's why I enjoy Mark Eric as much as I do, and mention his name whenever one of these threads come up. Clearly indebted to Brian and his music, but not in the sense that he just created generalized pastiches of the Beach Boys sound. Rather, he seemed like the sort of guy that loved albums like Today and Summer Days so much that he ignored the psychedelic revolution in favor of pursuing a sound in which those albums were cultural touchstones instead of things like Sgt. Pepper or Are You Experienced?Mark's 1969 album, A Midsummer's Day Dream, is really worth checking out. Jason, your video doesn't work for me (and maybe others), so here's another link: www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLqSv7e4V0lFXMV0799L2XhTHundQR4jk_
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Post by filledeplage on Sept 29, 2022 8:53:12 GMT -5
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Post by jk on Feb 1, 2024 16:45:57 GMT -5
Here's one my brother pointed me at last night. It's Roy Wood's tribute to early '60s music in general and that of Carl and the Boys in particular: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roy_Wood
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Post by bessieboporbach on Feb 1, 2024 16:54:18 GMT -5
When I watch these documentaries on various rock stars, which I no longer do, Brian and the Beach Boys are never named as influences. It's always Beatles, Beatles, Beatles. It's as if the Beach Boys are still not cool enough to name as an influence. Tiring. Check out indie pop bands who came to prominence in the '90s and into the 2000s. In that cohort I sometimes get the sense that Brian and Dennis, in particular, were at least as influential as the Beatles, maybe more. Albums like Friends in particular lay out the *exact* blueprint for pretty much the entire "indie pop" or latter-day psych-pop phenomenon.
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