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Post by lonelysummer on Apr 12, 2024 23:07:10 GMT -5
See You There was the second farewell album; and there was a third one that I never heard.
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Post by newbbfan on Apr 12, 2024 23:21:40 GMT -5
Adiós
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Post by Al S on Apr 12, 2024 23:55:46 GMT -5
Good song (strong, in fact), great lead from Glen, but Brian's vocal, very sadly, isn't release worthy - and made worse by the deployed whatever pitch correction mechanism. I think an Al appearance would have been a better match; and a nice reciprocation of Glen's appearances on Postcard. I think criticizing Brian's vocals at this point is unnecessary. Does anyone expect a new great vocal from him? I'm not surprised by the comments here, but wonder why there is so much time spent complaining about what 'we don't like.' Why not speak to what you do like about Glen Campbell? His original 2011 album is quite good. I've had it since its release. Music can be transformative. Smiley Smile and Jan & Deans' Save For a Rainy Day sounded like musical miracles when I was listening to them in the hospital after my nearly two month stay in 2019 due to stage 4 cancer. If you're reading this then you know what I'm talking about because you enjoy The Beach Boys music. I find what I like in something not what I dislike. What do we want from music? I want joy. I tend to find what I'm looking for because it's what I seek. David, I don't expect a great new vocal from Brian, but I don't expect something poorly produced and not playing to Brian's strengths - frankly, I didn't find any joy in listening to his contribution; and believe me, I approached the song in anticipation of finding some. Well done in finding what passed me by! I'm not sure about where you are going with the rest of your chide/run for office. I had indicated the song itself is quite good and Glen's lead is great, and the comments from other users while "complaints" were sympathetic, understanding and in no way flat-out rejections. Believe it or not, all commenters here enjoy The Beach Boys music, and all are entitled to express how a track/album/book/article etc moves them, or otherwise, in whatever way they see fit - criticism does not equal disbelief.
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Post by Awesoman on Apr 13, 2024 10:57:51 GMT -5
I think criticizing Brian's vocals at this point is unnecessary. Does anyone expect a new great vocal from him? I'm not surprised by the comments here, but wonder why there is so much time spent complaining about what 'we don't like.' Why not speak to what you do like about Glen Campbell? His original 2011 album is quite good. I've had it since its release. Music can be transformative. Smiley Smile and Jan & Deans' Save For a Rainy Day sounded like musical miracles when I was listening to them in the hospital after my nearly two month stay in 2019 due to stage 4 cancer. If you're reading this then you know what I'm talking about because you enjoy The Beach Boys music. I find what I like in something not what I dislike. What do we want from music? I want joy. I tend to find what I'm looking for because it's what I seek. David, I don't expect a great new vocal from Brian, but I don't expect something poorly produced and not playing to Brian's strengths - frankly, I didn't find any joy in listening to his contribution; and believe me, I approached the song in anticipation of finding some. Well done in finding what passed me by! I'm not sure about where you are going with the rest of your chide/run for office. I had indicated the song itself is quite good and Glen's lead is great, and the comments from other users while "complaints" were sympathetic, understanding and in no way flat-out rejections. Believe it or not, all commenters here enjoy The Beach Boys music, and all are entitled to express how a track/album/book/article etc moves them, or otherwise, in whatever way they see fit - criticism does not equal disbelief. It's perfectly fine if you didn't like Brian's vocal; objectively speaking it frankly wasn't his finest effort. But considering his health condition and his age, this was probably the best they could get out of him. I think if you can accept those realistic terms you can get *something* out of the song. Despite Brian's performance overall I think this was a pretty good track.
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Post by drbeachboy (Dirk) on Apr 13, 2024 12:02:02 GMT -5
The reason that this board exists is to talk about the band and their catalog of music. Part of that is giving opinions about the music just as a reviewer would do. It is perfectly ok to not like a vocal by one of the members. Geez, we have talked negatively about Mike’s nasally vocals on every board that I have belonged to over the years. Nothing is different here. If Brian wasn’t up to the task, then he should not have been a part of the project. When it comes to performance, no one ever gets a free pass because of who they are. That goes especially to a member of the greatest vocal group in history.
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Post by Rick Bartlett on Apr 13, 2024 12:51:29 GMT -5
Like all and many great 'Arts', everything is up to criticism. Criticism is not a bad thing you know! It makes us think, and feel, and adapt, and open our minds and see things in a different light. Like a 'painting' or a 'drawing', 'sculpture'.... It's Ok to like and NOT like certain ideals. It's also Ok to study and then change your mind on such things, and a lot of us do that without even knowing. What one does not like, another may realize they do and were not aware of it until it became discussed. It's also OK to not like anything about a certain project, but still be the biggest fan of the artist that created it.
I find in this day and age people are too afraid or scared to say what they really feel and I see it very much when it comes to The Beach Boys. Most folks stay in the 'safe' mode and don't want to criticize in fear of what others may think. A lot of 'Yes' people and comments which sadly doesn't open any further discussion or encourage any further investigation.
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Post by Rick Bartlett on Apr 18, 2024 23:09:46 GMT -5
A discussion about Glen and the making of the 'Duets' album. A couple of comments around the 45:20 mark from Glen's wife Kim and the team regarding Brian and his involvement and acknowledging Brian's current condition.
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Post by AGD on Apr 19, 2024 0:27:12 GMT -5
A discussion about Glen and the making of the 'Duets' album. A couple of comments around the 45:20 mark from Glen's wife Kim and the team regarding Brian and his involvement and acknowledging Brian's current condition.Which comments I personally thought to be somewhat distasteful, or at best ignorant of the facts: Brian has had a "beautiful life"? Not for many years he didn't, especially 1975-76 and again 1982-91. As for being surrounded by his family... I'll be generous and assume Kim is unaware of Melinda's passing...
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Post by Rick Bartlett on Apr 19, 2024 0:37:23 GMT -5
A discussion about Glen and the making of the 'Duets' album. A couple of comments around the 45:20 mark from Glen's wife Kim and the team regarding Brian and his involvement and acknowledging Brian's current condition.Which comments I personally thought to be somewhat distasteful, or at best ignorant of the facts: Brian has had a "beautiful life"? Not for many years he didn't, especially 1975-76 and again 1982-91. As for being surrounded by his family... I'll be generous and assume Kim is unaware of Melinda's passing... Misinformed maybe? Maybe just a poor choice of words strung together, I feel her intentions mean well. 'a beautiful life'? She could mean his music has given joy and because of his accomplishments, he's had a 'beautiful life'. I don't know... I'm just the piano player (messenger). I'm glad that the big fella got a mention and I wonder what the other song was they wanted Brian to do before he settled on 'Strong'? Also cool that they mentioned 'Guess I'm Dumb', another one of those songs when Brian was asked once, he didn't remember the song at all.
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Post by Awesoman on Apr 20, 2024 11:34:12 GMT -5
Which comments I personally thought to be somewhat distasteful, or at best ignorant of the facts: Brian has had a "beautiful life"? Not for many years he didn't, especially 1975-76 and again 1982-91. As for being surrounded by his family... I'll be generous and assume Kim is unaware of Melinda's passing... Misinformed maybe? Maybe just a poor choice of words strung together, I feel her intentions mean well. 'a beautiful life'? She could mean his music has given joy and because of his accomplishments, he's had a 'beautiful life'. I don't know... I'm just the piano player (messenger). I'm glad that the big fella got a mention and I wonder what the other song was they wanted Brian to do before he settled on 'Strong'? Also cool that they mentioned 'Guess I'm Dumb', another one of those songs when Brian was asked once, he didn't remember the song at all. Agreed. You can't expect everyone to be Brian Wilson aficionados like ourselves. I didn't detect any malice or insensitivity in her comments. Sounded like she simply hopes that Brian gets the same love and care that her husband got in his battle with the disease. Nothin' wrong with that.
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Post by stuart on Apr 22, 2024 20:47:17 GMT -5
Ghost on the canvas was perfect in its original release. No need to hear another version for me.
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Post by Rick Bartlett on Apr 23, 2024 2:00:47 GMT -5
Ghost on the canvas was perfect in its original release. No need to hear another version for me. I think that half lies within the problem with the new release, the original is such a masterpiece that doing anything remotely with it or around it, is simply 'sabotage'. Now, maybe they should have found some other 'tunes' in the catalogue they could have worked on, but after listening to the new duet album, the contributions don't rise or lift the songs in any way they did before. The intentions are good, but in the words of Glen, 'I'm Not Gonna Miss You'.
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